Pope Francis, the Jesuit, now claims that mother mary is the source of our hope, not Jesus Christ. The blasphemy sustained in this statement should make every catholic repent and turn to the truth; The Bible, rather than the doctrine of lies, the Catholic Church.
According to catholic doctrine, Jesus Christ is third on the list of whom grants us hope. Mary, the mother church, and then Jesus Christ.
“Thus, this is “our hope: we are not orphans, we have mothers”: first of all Mary. And then the Church, who is Mother “when she follows the same path of Jesus and Mary: the path of obedience, the path of suffering, and when her approach is to constantly learn the way of the Lord”.
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The statements protruding out of the pope’s mouth should shake the catholic church and turn it towards that of life, which is obtained only through a relationship with Jesus Christ, and not through the pope; but rather a personal relationship with The Messiah.
Scripture clearly references Jesus Christ as the hope of our lives, not the church.
This statement is not the only time the pope has attacked Jesus Christ and nor will it be the last, however not too long ago the pope was also caught singing to lucifer rather than Jesus Christ.
It’s all in the twist. The pope continually twists scriptures to meet his narrative rather than that of Christ. Which clearly should show that the pope has an agenda.
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The position and title that Pope Francis has bestowed on Mary is, by his own words, equal or greater than that of the second part of the Trinity, Jesus Christ. And though he has yet to use the words, he has effectually already placed her authority firmly at the Godhead. Interesting thing, in the book of Revelation and speaking of the Roman Catholic Church, the apostle John writes this about that ‘holy mother church’:
“And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”Revelation 17:4-6
And that’s what God thinks of the “holy Roman Mother Church”.
The following is the transcript from the pope’s Morning Meditation
Two women and mothers — Mary and the Church — bring Christ to a third woman, who resembles the first two but is “little”: our soul. The Pope reaffirmed, with these wholly female images, that without the motherhood of Mary and the Church we would not have Christ. “We are not orphans”, he recalled during the Mass celebrated in the chapel at Santa Marta.
Francis highlighted right away that “the Church, in the liturgy, leads us twice, for two days, one after the other, to Calvary”: in fact, “yesterday she made us contemplate the Cross of Jesus, and today his Mother at the Cross” (Jn 19:25-27). In particular, “yesterday she had us speak a word: glorious”. A word which refers to the “Cross of the Lord, because it brings life, it brings us glory”. But “today the strongest word of the liturgy is: Mother”. The Cross is glorious; the Mother humble, gentle”, the Mother whom the liturgy celebrates today as Our Lady of Sorrows.
Meditating on the Mother leads us directly to Jesus as son. Referring to the day’s Reading (Heb 5:7-9), the Pontiff pointed out that “in the passage from the Letter to the Hebrews, Paul emphasizes three strong words, speaking of Jesus the Son: he learned, he obeyed and he suffered”. Jesus, in essence “learned obedience and suffered”. Thus, “it is the opposite of what had befallen our father Adam, who had not learned what the Lord commanded, who had neither suffered nor obeyed”. Moreover, the Pope stated, “this passage from the Letter to the Hebrews reminds us of another passage from the Letter to the Philippians: “although he was in the form of God, he did not consider it an inalienable right; he renounced it, he humbled himself and took the form of a servant. This”, Pope Francis continued, “is the glory of the Cross of Jesus” who “came to the world to learn to be a man and, being man, to walk with men. He came to the world in obedience and he obeyed”. But “this obedience was learned through suffering”.
“Adam left Paradise with a promise”, he proceeded, “which went on throughout many centuries. Today, with this obedience, with this self-denial, this humbling of Jesus, that promise has become hope”. And “the People of God journey with confident hope”.
Mary too, “the Mother, the New Eve, as Paul himself called her, follows this path of her son: she learned, she suffered and she obeyed”. She “became ‘Mother’. We could say that she is the ‘anointed Mother’, the Pontiff affirmed, and the same is true for the Church.
Thus, this is “our hope: we are not orphans, we have mothers”: first of all Mary. And then the Church, who is Mother “when she follows the same path of Jesus and Mary: the path of obedience, the path of suffering, and when her approach is to constantly learn the way of the Lord”.
“These two women — Mary and the Church — carry on the hope which is Christ, they give us Christ, they generate Christ in us”, the Bishop of Rome emphasized. Thus “without Mary, Jesus Christ would not have been; without the Church, we cannot go forward”. They are “two women and two mothers”.
“Mary”, Francis explained, “remained steadfast at the Cross, she was bonded with the son because she had accepted him and she knew, more or less, that a sword awaited her: Simon had told her so”. Mary is “the steadfast Mother”, he continued, “who gives us certainty on this path of learning, of suffering and of obedience”. And Mother Church is also “steadfast when she adores Jesus Christ and she guides us, teaches us, shelters us, helps us on this path of obedience, of suffering, of learning this wisdom of God”.
Moreover, the Pontiff again affirmed, “our soul also takes part in this, when it opens itself to Mary and to the Church: according to monk and abbot, Isaac of Stella, our soul is also female and likewise resembles Mary and the Church”. Thus “today, looking at the Cross, this woman — steadfastly following her son, suffering in order to learn obedience — we see the Church and we see our Mother”. But “we also see our little soul”, which will never be lost if it too continues to be a woman close to those two great women who accompany us in life: Mary and the Church”.
Francis concluded by recalling that “as our fathers left Paradise with a promise, today we are able to go forward with hope: the hope we are given by Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our hierarchical Holy Mother Church”.
Works Cited
amredeemed. “Pope Francis says Jesus is not our hope, Mary and the Mother Church are.” amredeemed. . (2016): . . http://amredeemed.com/doctrines/catholic/pope-francis-says-jesus-not-hope-mary-mother-church/
It does not matter at all. Since God stated that ALL churches are “false religion”, and the Christ stated that all sects/denominations/dissentions are “works of the flesh” which prevent anyone engaging in them from the Kingdom, no matter WHAT the pope on a rope says means not one single thing. Dead is dead. The punishment for all unrepented sin is death, and one can only be dead. Not dead plus more dead, just dead.
What do you mean by ‘all churches’ are false religion?
The ‘church’ is the corporate body of Christ, including all believers in Christ.
It is what mankind has tried to make out of it is ‘false religion’ and of the flesh.
Roman Catholic Church is showing of its real stuff and mission on earth. It has been notifying of its steadfast spirit and practices to the feminist religious tradition. Yahoshea Meshiyach prayed to his father in heaven and not mother. All efforts to immortalise Mary by Roman Catholic Church is indication that it is a continuation of Babylonian feminine religion. It is certain that Roman Catholic Church is the second Babylon. May Yahweh redeem us from this fake and adulterous sect. Halleluyah
I’m sorry Melody, I’m not the “owner” or manager of this list. I’m just responding to it when questions are coming my way. So, I can’t take anyone off the list.
This Pope Francis is a Anti -Christ Himself. Talking about God & Jesus the way he did. He is a Lyer and a Deceiver to the Chatholic Church and to all there Members, and too anyone that are willing to Hear & See What Devil has to say to the World.
1 John 2: 18 Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,b even now many antichrists have appeared,c from which fact we know that it is the last hour
2John [image: The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition)]
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Here is what the NWT states,
22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ?+ This is the antichrist,+ the one who denies the Father and the Son.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses deny that Jesus is the Son of God, thus, is God. Since this is the case, then, the JWs are teaching a doctrine of the anti-christ.
Your twisted logic, isn’t logic at all. It’s just twisted,. And they aren’t teaching the “doctrine of the anti-christ”, since no such doctrine even exists. That being the case, it appears clearly that YOU are teaching falsehoods, not JW’s. They’re teaching the truth, since God’s inspired word clearly teaches that God and the Son are two separate persons.
Tasdgs has highlighted the scriptural fact that Jesus Christ is God, which the JW’s and yourself deny. What tasdgs said here is NOT twisted logic but a scriptural fact.
Before you accuse people of deploying “twisted logic” you should consider your own scriptural basis and whatever you claim, to back it up with scripture – something that you’re seriously lacking.
JW’s are teaching scriptural falsehood, especially in relation to who Jesus Christs is.
Have a go at this: Revelation chapter 1 relates to the revelation of Jesus Christ. Who he is.
In revelation 1:8 it goes on to say: “I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty”
Notice that the context here is the revelation of Jesus Christ – who therefore is God, the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the Almighty.
And then it goes on to say in verses 17-18 ” I am the first and the last, the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, I have the keys of to death and of Hades.
In chapter 2, verse 8: These are the things that he says, “the first and the last, who became dead, and came to life.”
So, here it says again “the first and the last” in other words God the creator – and then it goes on to say that “he became dead and came to life.”
Who do you think this is talking about, other than Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty who became dead but lives forever more?
How does that fit into your twisted idea about who Jesus Christ is – if he’s not the Alpha and Omega and the Almighty?
You posted: ” Tasdgs has highlighted the scriptural fact that Jesus Christ is God, which the JW’s and yourself deny. What tasdgs said here is NOT twisted logic but a scriptural fact.” However, it is NOT scriptural fact.
The entirety of the inspired word of God proves conclusively that Jesus IS NOT GOD, but is God’s ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Only CREATED son. Every word of scripture refers to two separate persons, not two separate persons as one person. That two could be one is nothing short of insane. To believe such a pagan belief is nothing short of spitting right in God’s eye, and Jesus’ eye as well.
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I have “accused” no one of anything. I merely stated facts. You are twisting my words to suit your beliefs, which is wholeheartedly dishonest.
I have made no “claims” either, again, just stated FACTS. And I cannot write scripture, God did that already. Nothing I’ve stated, no facts I’ve stated, NEED “backing up with scripture” anyway. God’s word is quite clear regarding who is who and what is what. What is the problem is that you do NOT understand God’s word, and neither does Tasdgs. God’s word states that Satan has veiled the meaning of God’s word from the “unbelievers”. A group you fit into like a hand in a glove. Again, just stating facts as laid out in God’s inspired word. But of course, you will take offense at these facts. Don’t shoot the messenger, disagree with the message if you wish, but you cannot change facts, and you cannot argue with God, which is what you’re doing by saying His word says what you WANT it to say, rather than what GOD means to say. God helps those who have an honest heart to understand His word. Enough said there, since He hasn’t helped you to understand what He says to us. But again, you will take offense at these facts. God’s word says what it says, but getting the sense of what it says, is another matter all together, and you don’t get the sense of any of it, it seems. You COULD understand it, if you were to repent, pray for forgiveness in Jesus’ name, to God, and hope He helps you grasp the meaning of His inspired word. You’d have to stop touching the unclean (pagan) thing though. All religions of Christendom are pagan (unclean) according to God and according to Jesus too. Both taught against religions that man created, and ALL of the religions of Christendom were man made. All of the teachings of them were also man made. They did not come from God, or from His word. Using a false translation of His word is not going to help either. The KJV is the single most falsely translated “version” of God’s word to ever exist. All other English translations, except one or two, are almost the same as the KJV, and they won’t help either. All you can do is continue to pray for holy spirit, repent, and ask for forgiveness and help understanding God’s inspired word. You’ll have to learn with/from some of the remnant of the annointed though. I wish you success.
You’re doing it again: voicing your unqualified opinion without making any scriptural reference to back up what you’re saying. I have asked you also what you’re thinking about the scriptures I quoted in revelation that point to Jesus Christ being God almighty. What does that mean to you? How can you ignore what the word of God says? Obviously, you don’t have to say anything about it, because it doesn’t fit your preconceived ideas!
As I’ve told you before, I don’t perform the rediculous habit of “backing up” something with scriptures. That is a false tactic used by false religions of Christendom, of which you are a part. And you’ve asked me nothing. You’ve demanded things, but not asked. And no scripture in Revelation points to Jesus being God.
Being spiritually blind is a terrible thing , but unable to mentally process something that is clearly evident is yet another. You’re not answering what revelations 1:8,17-18 and revelations 2:8 say because it’s obvious to the most blind persons: Jesus Christ is the first and the last, the alpha and omega , the living one who became dead but who is living forever. (The reference to first and last, alpha and omega are shown elsewhere in many places of scripture pertaining to almighty God! Research that yourself if you like.) Jesus Christ is God almighty as it is clearly shown in rev 1:8! How blind must one be not to see that ! I rest my case!
Revelation 1:8 doesn’t say Jesus is his father: 8 “I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,”* q says Jehovah* God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”r
And neither do 18 or 18: 17 When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the Firstk and the Last,l 18 and the living one,m and I became dead,n but look! I am living forever and ever,o and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.* p
So you clearly do not get the sense, the understanding, of those three scriptures in the slightest.
Believe whatever your blind little heart, your dishonest little heart wants to believe, but believing that Jesus is God brings God’s judgement of death on you. At the moment of your death, you will know the truth, but by then, it’s way too late for you. While you still have time, you should learn the truth of the matter. I don’t believe for a moment that yiou even care what the truth is, so long as you get to be smug, haughty, and self righteous.
It seems that those are the only things you want. Living forever in a paradise Earth doesn’t seem to appeal to you. It would to any normal, rational, honest person though. It does to many. But the vast majority of the “world” as misled by Satan, believes as you do, and in so doing, brings a judgement upon themselves of complete and total destruction. Doesn’t make a bit of sense to do that, but that’s what you all do. Pretending you’re right is much more important to you than actually BEING right. Oh well. Your choice. God’s been warning man for over two thousand years and most, like you, IGNORE His warnings. You literally IGNORE God the Almighty, and pretend He is His own son, just like a good little pagan.
In Revelation 1:8 it says that Jesus is the ALMIGHTY. What does that mean to you other than God? Who else is ‘almighty’ other than God? And when he says in verse 18 that he is the first and the last and the living one and became dead, that is referencing Jesus Christ who died for our sins. Did God die? It says that the Alpha and Omega, the almighty God died but is alive forever more! What don’t you understand here? Jesus Christ, who died is Almighty God! How hard can it be to not understand, except when one is spiritually dead?
Another thing: How could Jesus Christ be the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last if he were a created being just as you claim? A created being would be at least as a bare minimum the second and not the first, hey?
And another thing: Jesus provided the PERFECT sacrifice for our redemption. If he were any other than God himself , he would not be able to provide the perfect sacrifice because only God himself is perfect! Get that! Let it sink in! Let it permeate your soul and ask God in sincerity to reveal himself to you and ask him to save you!
So, when you think that Jesus Christ is NOT God in the flesh, then you’re not saved because you cannot believe that he provided the perfect sacrifice for your redemption.
And remember John 8:24 where Jesus said: “I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
Notice that the term “I am he” is a reference to God almighty. That is a title that God gave himself. Refer Exodus 3:14 just for an example. If you don’t believe that Jesus Christ is God who came in the flesh to redeem us, you will die in your sins! It is written! It is Jesus Christ very own words! Oh, well. Your choice.
As for me: Don’t worry about me and my eternal state, because I believe what Jesus said and how to be born again and how to be saved.
And John 3:16 says that: And so God loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. I believe in him, I will not perish and I have eternal life. It is settled. He died for my sin, with his perfect sacrifice and redeemed me.
Romans 10:13, Acts 2:21 and others say that: whosoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. I am a whosoever who dared to call on the name of the Lord and I dare to believe God’s word and I will be saved. God’s word cannot lie. It’s a fact, a done deal.
PS: It seems that you cannot grasp the fact that God the Father and God the son are distinct persons but both are God. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh but pre-existed before his incarnation. This becomes real to you once you become spiritually alive and become born of the spirit. 1Corinthians 2:14: The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
That is why this is all foolishness to you. Become born of the spirit and it will all fall into place for you!
No, it does not say Jesus is the Almighty. As I said, you do not get the sense, you do not understand the word of God. It’s just that simple. Only believers understand it.
You are incredible and I don’t mean that in a positive sense!
Revelation 1:8 says: ‘I am the alpha and omega , the beginning and the end says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.’ And remember that the beginning of the chapter says that this is the revelation of Jesus Christ! Aren’t you embarrassed to talk nonsense like that and deny the obvious -something that is written clear as day for all to see except you? Your spiritual darkness is indeed very dark and even your level of comprehension of the English language let’s lot’s to be desired! I’m really shocked and surprised that people can be so blind!
As I previously stated, you are prevented from understanding God’s word.
None of your arguments, therefore, are even close to valid.
Let it go. Your stubborn refusal to see he truth will pay you eternal dividends. Entirely your choice. Enough information was provided. May God have mercy on your soul. Do not be surprised when Jesus says to you: ‘ I never knew you….. I have pity on you. You’re a sad affair .
You display the typical haughtiness of all who insist on ignoring God’s commands by remaining involved with false religion and clinging to pagan beliefs. It’s you who will see that God is one Jehovah, at the moment of your death, permanently. This life is your reward, because God says you won’t receive any other rewards. You do still have time to change, draw close to God, and obey His commands, but time is VERY short. I’d act fast if I were you.
And how do you know my closeness and relationship to God? Are you so haughty and arrogant to believe that you can see into somebody’s heart? That is something between God and I and none of your business!I have explained to you that people are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8,9) and not through yourself, that it is a gift of God that I accepted with gratitude. I have explained to you that whosever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved and that I’m a whosoever. Are you? Are you saved by grace through faith in the perfect, redeeming sacrifice of Jesus Christ or do you try working hard for your eternal life? What are you on about?
What commands of God do you think I’m ignoring? What false religion do you think I’m involved with? What pagan beliefs? I know that there is one God, because there is only one God! What do you think God’s commands are? What is God’s will for us? John 6:40 says: For this is the will of God, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”There you have it. Anything else to add?How dare you even claiming arrogantly to know what rewards I may or may not receive? None of your business!Get yourself saved first. That is your business. Understand who God is and how you may receive eternal life. You have totally ignored the pointers that I provided to you in respect to salvation.
Your post: ” And how do you know my closeness and relationship to God? Are you so haughty and arrogant to believe that you can see into somebody’s heart? That is something between God and I and none of your business!I have explained to you that people are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8,9) and not through yourself, that it is a gift of God that I accepted with gratitude. I have explained to you that whosever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved and that I’m a whosoever. Are you? Are you saved by grace through faith in the perfect, redeeming sacrifice of Jesus Christ or do you try working hard for your eternal life? What are you on about? ”
What you say and how you say it is VERY indicative of who you are and what your relationship with the Almighty is.
People’s spiritual state IS my business. I am God’s minister and am required to search out honest hearted ones to show them salvation and how to attain it.
Your understanding of how one is saved is VERY VERY lacking. It takes so much more than what you listed that I couldn’t possibly even begin to post all one must do to attain salvation. You have, according to your own posts, not put yourself into a position of being saved when the time comes. And one is not “pre” saved. One is saved when the time comes, and it’s almost here, but not quite. The first thing one MUST do is to OBEY ALL OF GOD’S COMMANDS, and very clearly, you do not even attempt to do that. I can clearly see that you don’t even know what all of those commands are, nor do you care to know. Your beliefs bely your pagan life.
You believe in the pagan concept of a trinity of gods. You greive the spirit of God by thinking it’s a person. You insult God and God’s son by thinking they’re the same person. And on, and on, and on. AND, you don’t care one little tiny bit to know the truth of these matters at all. You are so arrogant that you think you know so much more than anyone else on the planet, that you would be insulted to think you don’t.
That’s how.
So you’re calling yourself a “minister of God”? Hmm. Interesting!
If you were a minister of God as you claim, wouldn’t you emulate what Jesus Christ has been doing? In Matthew 18:11 for instance Jesus said: “For the Son of man came to seek and save the lost.” Jesus also said in Mark 2:17: ‘Healthy people don’t need a doctor – sick people do. “I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Why are you saying then that you “search out” “honest hearts” when you should know as a minister of God that there is none righteous, all have turned aside (Romans 3:10-12) There are no ‘honest hearts’ who need salvation. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) Jeremiah 17:9 says: “The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick.”
You are a “minister of God”? And don’t know that? You are fake and a minister of satan. That is your problem.
‘One is saved when the time comes’ you say? When is that time in your opinion? 1 John 5:13 says: “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you MAY KNOW that you have eternal life.” There you go: When one is truly saved, and trust in the saviour’s completed work, one may know and have assurance to have eternal life.
I can claim this because I believe in the good news of the gospel – that I’m saved by grace through faith. (Ephesians 2:8,9 as mentioned earlier.) You on the other hand rely on your own self keeping ALL commandments, in contradiction to God’s word. What is the good news in that when we all know that nobody is able to keep ALL commandments?
I on the other hand, (being saved by grace through faith) trusting in my good shepherd to guide me through with the help of the Holy Spirit and keeping the commandments out of gratitude to the one who saved my by his blood, not a pre-condition for salvation.
If I fail, then I seek forgiveness and restoration. But the work of salvation and eternal life is entirely bought by the blood of the Lamb. I do not earn one bit of it or add one iota to the end result, otherwise I could boast that I kept ALL commandments, like you do. Something that is in contravention to God’s word which says that nobody can boast about their salvation.
You will be surprised when you stand before Him and he says: “I never knew you- depart from me” You really don’t need him if you rely on your own power and ability to keep all of his commandments.
You’re talking about my ‘arrogance’? What you call “arrogance” is simply my reliance on God’s word and his salvation. And whatever I say, I back it up with the word of God.
Your arrogance on the other hand is to refuse to back up anything with the word of God and citing references, but rather spouting out your unsubstantiated opinions – even though you claim yourself to be a “minister of God”. Go figure!
You’re saying that I claim to know so much more than anyone on the planet. What I’m rather doing is to simply quote scriptures to substantiate what I’m saying and believing. No arrogance involved, only referring to the word of God.
On the other hand, you accuse everybody else to be a pagan and following false religion, and in so doing you imply that you’re the only one on the planet to claim to be correct. Can’t you see how hypocritical and deluded you are? Good grief!
Definition of delusion: ‘an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder’
Our reality and rational argument lies in the word of God. You contradict it and refuse to even quote scripture to back up your beliefs. Go and get yourself checked out by someone professional.
It’s very clear that you do not know what it means to be God’s minister.
It’s also very clear you do not know what “salvation” means. And it’s quite clear that you don’t know what any of Jesus’ teachings mean either.
Clear also is that you haven’t the slightest clue as to what it means to be a Christian. After all,you are of Christendom, not Christianity. Two VERY different things. I’ve made no “accusations” either. I’ve simply stated facts. Your complete misunderstanding of God’s inspired word is at issue here. You are prevented from knowing what it means. Every word of it.
It’s quite clear you have not got the “honest heart” God seeks in everyone, or you would understand God’s word. You make all of your assertions based on what YOU think God’s word says, but all of your beliefs as to what it says are completely wrong. Your arrogance prevents you from praying for forgiveness, and understanding of God’s word, so you’ll NEVER get the sense of His words to us, UNLESS you change. I rather doubt you will humble yourself enough to do that though. But, ANYTHING is possible.
One thing is clear that you’re seriously deluded and that you are incapable to express what God’s word actually says about any topic and resort only to spouting your deluded opinion.Since I made references to the word of God, which you disagree with, you are making God a liar.God have mercy on your soul. I pity you. I cannot continue in this conversion. You have a major problem. Get yourself checked out.
No, I am certainly NOT deluded, and no, I have not said anything about God lying, because God cannot lie, but YOU can, and are. Never once have I ever posted my opinion either. I only post truth from the inspired word of God. What you’re posting, only you know, since you made it up. You are bent on retaining the lies of religion, rather the truth of God and His word. Your choice. You choose not God, but man and man’s word and man’s teachings, rejecting God’s teachings. So be it. It’s your life to throw away, and throwing it away is most certainly what you’re doing. I’ve suggested many times that you reject man’s teachings and instead learn God’s teachings, and God’s will. I’ve suggested you learn what God’s commands are, but you refuse. Once again, it’s your choice, and your life to throw away like a bag of trash. It’s not a very good idea to do what you are doing, but so far, you’ve not displayed any good ideas. Only false teachings of man and of false religion. God commanded us to “flee” from them, but you flee TO them, and FROM God. It makes no sense at all. You make none either. This life is your only reward, because there will be none for you in the new system of things after the final battle.
Look pal, youare only spouting your opinion here and you never ever even quoted once fromGod’s word. Why not? It would at least give some credibility to what you’resaying. But without it, it’s simply spouting your silly opinion.I postedwhat I made up? Are you kidding me? Man’s teaching? I quoted scripture and therefore don’t make upanything. I back up what I’m saying with God’s word. You on the other hand don’t.You never did. Can’t you see how deluded you are? Seeksome help! I will stop communicating with you henceforth. Total waste of time. Some mothers do have ’em!
My name isn’t “pal”, and I neve post my opinion. You ONLY post opinion.
OTHER PEOPLE’S opinion of what any scripture says, NOT what God meant when He inspired their writing. You post what you THINK they say and mean, and both are wrong. It’s not possible for you to understand the sense of any of God’s word. Satan prevents it from the unbelievers, and only God can help you grasp it’s meaning, and only if He sees in you an honest heart and an honest desire to draw close to Him. You posess neither. Argue, whine, complain, name call, allyou want, but it won’t change one little thing, except your own blood pressure. It won’t help you understand God’s word.
Nothing will. Since you don’t want to be close to God, you won’t ever grasp any of it. Since you’re not humble and think your own thinking can teach you anything, you’re doomed.
Just from the last response:Ephesians2:8,9 – not my opinion but God’s word.Matthew18:11 – not my opinion but God’s wordMark 2;17 –not my opinion but God’s wordRomans 3:23 –not my opinion but God’s wordJeremiah17:9 – not my opinion but God’s word1 John 5:13 –not my opinion but God’s word.It’s not forme to understand what this means you say? Why not? What else would it mean other than what’s written?What does itmean to you other than what’s written?Give me abreak. Seek help!
Getting the sense of any of God’s word can only be accomplished if God helps you pierce the veil Satan has placed over their understanding. He has veiled the meaning from unbelievers. The description in God’s word as to what an unbeliever is, fits you like a hand in a glove. God has said He would draw those with an honest heart, to Him, and help them understand His word. It is apparent that you haven’t got an honest heart, or God would have helped you. Your understanding of every scripture you quoted is incorrect. And you complain that I don’t do what you do and post scriptures. There is no point in doing so, since you wouldn’t understand them anyway, yet you continue to whine like a little girl that I don’t do what you do. I am not you, and I am not a religionist, and I am not an unbeliever, and I am not part of false religion. you are those things, and you REFUSE to change. Enough said.
Just for the records, as a simple example of your capabilityof “piercing the veil”: What is the meaning of Ephesians 2:8 and9? I’m just curious whether you think itmeans anything else but what it says.
George, what would be the point? You think that’s all there is to being saved, which is wrong, and you won’t ever consider anything other than what you already “believe”, having been spoon fed your beliefs.
Look, I’m only interested in what God says in this matter. He had clearly spelled it out in His word. His word cannot lie.
I have not been spoon fed by anyone. I don’t care what other people say. I believe what’s written in His word for our salvation and edification. His word promises to guide me into all truth through the Holy Spirit. (John 16:13) I’m interested in God’s word, His word alone and not that of others. Especially not your’s, since you have proven time and again that you are incapable to express God’s word to others and myself and whatever you have said has never referenced the word of God at all. Therefore, what credibility should I assign you or what you are saying ? Let it go. You are a lost case. The only thing I can do is pray for you that God may filter through to your disturbed and deluded heart and mind. All the best in your endeavours. I hope you will find the Lord – eventually, before it’s too late.
The lost case is the one who believes in a TRINITY of gods, YOU. God the Almighty, NOR His son, are part of ANY trinity. Therefore you are incapable of understanding or getting the sense of any single part of His inspired word, AT YOUR OWN CHOOSING.
How thick are you that you don’t get that I don’t believe in a “trinity of gods” but ONE God with distinct THREE INDIVIDUAL PERSONS in the one GOD. Namely: God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit.This is how YHWH God has revealed himself in his word. (YHWH – not Jehova by the way – which is a humanly concocted false name for God) He is ONE GOD! If you cannot grasp the complexity of the personhood of God, you cannot expect that he is changing his very being just in order for you to grasp it with your feeble, pathetic mind!Enough said. You will NOT hear from me anymore. End of conversation.
AS I SAID PREVIOUSDLY, you believe in a trinity of gods. There is God the Almighty, His only BEGOTTEN son, Jesus, and God’s spirit. There is no: ‘ God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit. ” to quote you. Jesus isn’t God, he is as a god, and there is no person who is God’s spirit, and no God who is God’s spirit. You don’t believe the truth found in God’s word, but instead believe WHAT YOU’VE BEEN TOLD TO BELIEVE, which I put in quotation marks above. One could NEVER come up with such pagan drivel as that on their own, it must be spoon fed to them. God’s inspired word is VERY CLEAR that God is the Almighty, and His created, begotten son, Jesus IS NOT GOD, and neither is God’s active force, His holy spirit, and neither is His spirit a person. It is PERSONIFIED at times in the scriptures, but so is death, wisdom, pain, and many other things. Personification of a thing doesn’t mean it’s a person. God created one thing directly, and it was His son, whom He called “the Word”, and who was named Jesus when he was born of Mary. Jesus allowed His son to create evderything else in existence, using His active force, His holy spirit. These are things YOU CANNOT GRASP it seems. It just won’t fit into your little head, because you’re an unbeliever, as God described it, and Satan has veiled the meaning of God’s word from the unbelievers. Only God can help you pierce that veil, IF God sees in you an honest hearted desire to know Him and to draw close to Him. Obviously this is not the case with you. You continue to pretend it is. Pretending doesn’t make a thing so. Stop pretending. Stop the un-humble behavior, and stop whining please. Only YOU can change yourself, and show God that you are humbly desiring to know Him, and to draw close to Him. He desires all to attain to repentance and to be saved. You can achieve this if you put honest effort and desire into it.
Complaining, arguing, name calling, and all the other silly things you’ve been doing won’t accomplish it. LOTS of prayer for holy spirit and wisdom and patience and forgiveness will have an effect on it. But the things you’ve been doing on this blog won’t.
I suggestthat you stop triggering me off with your drivel that constantly forces me torespond on and on.I told youquite clearly that I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A TRINITY OF GODS. Don’t you get that? I believe in ONE GOD! Previouslywe have spoken about the fact that Jesus Christ is God and that he’s thecreator. But you have an attention span like a gold fish! Can’t remember?Therefore Iwon’t regurgitate this anymore, but close it off with quoting Philippians 2:6…..(talking about Jesus Christ) – Who,being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD….Yourproblem is that you are robbing JesusChrist of his divine status….If he’s in the form of God, he can’t be a createdbeing. He did not consider it robbery to be equal with God- he said thathimself, so why are you saying something else and disagreeing with Jesus Christ?If he were acreated being, he could have not said that. But you really don’t get it becauseyou’re devoid of the Spirit of God.
Leading to the next disaster: You call the Holy Spirit an “active force”. Thatis nowhere referenced anywhere in scripture.An activeforce like Electricity or gravity perhaps? Hogwash!How comethat the Holy Spirit is everywhere addressed with a pronoun “he” and not “it”?Can you answer that? He is a “he”. He is a person. Further, you can sin againstthe Holy Spirit. You can’t sin against an active force. You can only sinagainst God. You can lie to the Holy Spirit, you can’t lie to an active force.Next time when you’re on top of a building, just lie to the gravity and seewhat happens.We are toobey the Holy Spirit. You don’t obey an active force. Further, the Holy Spiritguides, convicts, teaches and restrains sin and gives commands. (It’s all therein scripture – go and dig it out yourself.) All this requires the involvementof a person with intellect, not a force like electricity. The Holy Spiritpossesses the attributes of omniscience, omnipresence and eternal existence,because he is God.Closing offwith the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 3;17-18 stating: Now the Lord is theSpirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. Do you have thisfreedom or are you in your own self- instituted shackles of religiosity?
You DO believe in a trinity. You said God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. THAT is the Athanasian Creed, which codifies the trinity in the Catholic Church. There is only God the Father, God the Almighty.
And He has a son he created. And He has His spirit, through which He and His son accomplish creation, miracles, education, and other things. God’s son is NOT God, but is “as” a god, not God. And God’s spirit IS NOT God, nor a person, but an active force. And yes, Jesus is the IMAGE of God, but NOT GOD THE ALMIGHTY. Not his father. NOT GOD. Your beliefs are spoon fed from the pagan church Constantine created in 325 a.d. and also what the Church of “England believes, by using their handbook, the KJV, which is not God’s word, but the Church of England’s word. They put just a little bit of God s word into it to make it SEEM like it’s the inspired word of God, but it’s NOT. Hell doesn’t exist, no cross was mentioned in the inspired word of God, and Ghosts don’t exist. Hades, Sheol, and Gehenna were removed from the KJV and REPLACED with the word “hell”, which means “the common grave of mankind”, not some underworld of fire and torture. For the pagan underworld of hell to exist, God necessarily would have to cooperate with Satan by allowing Satan to tempt people, and then take them and torture them eternally. God doesn’t do that. Satan’s torture is on Earth only. When we die, we are dead and gone, but are in God’s memory for resurrection. The second death, removal from God’s memory preventing resurrection, is the punishment for sin. PERMANENT DEATH. The wages sin pays is death, NOT death AND THEN torture at Satan’s hand. All of those are PAGAN beliefs. And you believe them, making you pagan. God stated that if you “stop touching the unclean thing, I will take you in”. Meaning if you DON’T stop touching the unclean (pagan) thing, God WON’T take you in. He rejects you. You continue touching the pagan (unclean) things He warned you about. If you stop, He WILL still take you in. He desires ALL to attain to repentance, and not be destroyed. Look THAT up, if you’re not too lazy to do a little research on your own, instead of demanding that OTHERS look it up for you, like you continue to do to me.
Your MISUNDERSTANDING of God’s active force is partly caused by your using a falsely translated “Bible”. The KJV is VERY VERY misleading, as Satan is “misleading the entire inhabited Earth”, and he uses Bibles and false religion and peer pressure and governments and entertainment to do it.
Every aspect of human society is steeped thoroughly in misleadings of Satan regarding God and His son and His holy spirit. And it’s too bad you cannot wrap your mind around the concept of “personification”, as the Bible personificies the holy spirit. personification [per-son-uh-fi-key-shuh n] See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com noun
1. the attribution of human nature or character to animals, inanimate objects, or abstract notions, especially as a rhetorical figure.
2. the representation of a thing or abstraction in the form of a person, as in art.
3. the person or thing embodying a quality or the like; an embodiment or incarnation: He is the personification of tact.
As previously stated, MANY things in the scriptures are personified.
– What Is the Holy Spirit?
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You don’t have to tell me what I believe or not. I do that myself.
These are now my very last words about the trinity to you: Essentially it’s like this: The Father is not the son, yet he is God.
The Son is not the Father, yet he is God.
The Holy Spirit is not the Son, nor the Father, yet he is God.
A simple human analogy: My father is human.
I am human.
I am not my father, yet I am human .
My father is not me, yet my father is human.
My sister is not my father, nor is she my son. Yet, my sister is human.
For curiosity’s sake: Isaiah 9:6, which says: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.- And in Isaiah 7:14 it relates to the virgin birth, giving the name Immanuel, meaning “God with us”
This prophecy about Jesus Christ was made hundreds of years before it happened and relates to Jesus Christ. What does it mean to you? Ain’t it interesting? Mighty God, everlasting Father- Jesus Christ????
And again: It’s your opinion against the word of God – since you have not backed up anything you’re saying with God’s word, I place no credibility on what you’re saying anyway.
Enough said about the topic. You just don’t get it.
About those other strawman arguments of yours: The cross? – thesaurus: ‘a mark, object, or figure formed by two short intersecting lines or pieces’ – just like the pole that was erected to crucify Jesus, is a method of Roman execution. Therefore, most reasonable people understand this term – except you, of course. They could have translated it “tree” for all I care. The important thing is that Jesus died on it to redeem us from our sin. Pathetic argumentation!
About the term hell: The translation of Sheol / Tartrus / Hades / Gehenna were translated in some translations with the term “hell” even though technically speaking there are some differences. Some translations did not do that. I use the ASV among many other translations and they don’t use “hell”. It was done so because it was the commonly understood terminology of the day. The meaning of any of those is the “abode of the death” – which is a conscious existence, not just the physical grave and the word of God does NOT teach annihilation but conscious, ongoing existence!
Below I provided you with some scripture references. Don’t be lazy, look them up yourself!
The Biblical definition of physical death is the separation of body and soul. The bodies of both the just and the unjust return to the earth and experience corruption (Genesis 3:19, Acts 13:36). The souls of both the saved and the lost remain alive and conscious, and return to God who gave them (Ecclesiastes 12:7).
The souls of believers go immediately to be in the presence of the Lord in Heaven (Luke 23:43; Philippians 1:23; 2 Corinthians 5:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:14). There they await the redemption of their bodies and the restoration of all things (Acts 3:21, Romans 8:18-23). Heaven is a literal place to which the risen, glorified Christ ascended bodily (Acts 1) and is now seated at the right hand of the Father (Ephesians 1:20; Hebrews 8:1) as Stephen saw (Acts 7:56). The book of Revelation depicts the presence and activity of believers in Heaven before the resurrection of their bodies for the judgment of the Last Day (e.g., Revelation 4:1ff; 6:10ff, 7:13-17, 11:16ff).
The apostle Paul said in Philippians 1:21 – To live is Christ and to die is gain. Wouldn’t make much sense, if annihilation is the order of the day….just saying!
The souls of the lost are cast into Hell and experience darkness and torment, awaiting the final judgment, and their final consignment to the Lake of Fire for eternity ; Matthew 23:33; Mark 9:43-48; Luke 16:23-24; Hebrews 9:27; Jude 6-7; Revelation 20:10-15). Hell is as literal as Heaven. Scripture speaks of the conscious torment of those in Hell (Matthew 8:12). The rich man of Luke 16 was in such torment. Scripture speaks of the “shame and everlasting loathing” of those condemned to Hell (Daniel 12:2). (No shame and loathing if you were annihilated) The fire of Hell is spoken of as eternally unquenchable (Matthew 3:12, Mark 9:43-48, where Jesus quotes Isaiah 66:24); an unquenchable fire would be unnecessary if the damned were annihilated. Jesus speaks of the punishment of Hell as eternal (Matthew 25:46).
At the Last Judgment, the lost will hear the sentence of their eternal doom pronounced, and they will be cast bodily into the Lake of Fire with the devil and his angels, there to be “tormented day and night forever” (Matthew 13:36-43; 13:47-50; 25:31-46; Revelation 20:11-15). Many of the lost will protest that they did great things, even miracles, in Christ’s name. Interestingly, Jesus Christ does not deny their claims, but He will say, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness” (Matthew 7:21-23). And – “Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of the Father” (Philippians 2:10-11). In finally bowing the knee and truly confessing that “Jesus is Lord,” the lost who had falsely, even patronizingly, called Him, “Lord, Lord,” will acknowledge that their eternal condemnation is just.
So you see: When we die, we are NOT dead and gone. It’s not what the word of God teaches. It’s either your name is written in the Lamb’s book of life or it’s not. If it is, you have eternal life – not eternal annihilation. It’s not a case of being dead and gone. What point would it be that God promises true believers eternal life if he would mean eternal annihilation?
On the other hand: If your name is not written in the Lamb’s book of life, and it’s swimming in the lake of fire for all eternity. Not annihilation. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, (Luke 13:28 and many others) where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched (Mark 9:48). No point in that, if you were annihilated and ceased to exist, would it?
Once again, your opinion is far off the mark and way off anything the word of God says. (And once again, no scripture to validate your opinion, either!)
Unclean Pagan thing? – And God won’t take me in ? I told you by now sooooo many times that the condition of ‘being taken in’ is faith in Jesus Christ’ atoning death and being born of the Spirit. We covered that so many times now , with scripture references, which proves to me that you don’t believe the word of God and hence , you will die in your sins. And therefore you will swim in the lake of fire, which is an ongoing, conscious experience.
Please resist to respond. I really don’t want to waste my time or your’s. Took me some time to capture all this, but I’m hammering against a brick wall here and you don’t validate anything you’re saying with God’s word anyway, so there is no basis for rational discussion. Let’s leave it at that.
Hope you will come to your senses! I’m going to pray for you. It’s now between God and you. I’m out of here now.
It seems that you would want to believe the TRUTH, rather than what you stated. Jesus IS NOT GOD. God’s spirit IS NOT GOD, it is God’s SPIRIT.
Greiving the spirit by claiming it’s God is the one unforgiveable sin mentioned in scriptures. Believing that God’s one, first hand creation, USING HIS SPIRIT, is God, is ALSO greiving the spirit, the one unforgiveable sin mentioned in scripture. It appears that you have a desire to worship God in the way He commands, but you have no ACCURATE information with which to do so. It’s been repeatedly offered to you, yet you REFUSE it. This makes you an unbeliever. This is why God doesn’t help you to know Him. This is why you will, along with all the other billions of religionists, be destroyed in the tribulation, and won’t see the new system, the paradise Earth. It’s sad, but nothing unusual. Most people believe things that aren’t true regarding God, His son, and His spirit, and refuse to even look at accurate knowledge regarding them. This refusal means their destruction, and yours. God DESIRES all to attain to repentance, but you refuse to repent. It’s your choice to make, but it’s the wrong choice, if you want to live forever in paradise.
Come on, you haven’t had even time to read and research all the scripture references that I provided. And then you come once again, spouting your own opinion, without validating anything you say from the word of God.This proves to me that you are not interested what God has to say in the matter.This is the very last time that I respond to you. Don’t bother replying. Can’t you see how pathetic your replies are?
There exists no reason to research all the references you provided. You’re trying to make a false point. Jesus isn’t God, and God’s spirit isn’t God.
You are either too lazy or too ignorant to research the scriptures provided. If you loved God, you would be eager to read and research his word and if you think I’m wrong, then try to correct me!Or perhaps it’s just arrogance. saying that only your opinion counts and not the word of God.
Acts 17:11 says: Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Notice, they were of more noble character, received the message AND THEY EXAMINED THE SCRIPTURES EVERY DAY TO SEE WHAT PAUL SAID WAS TRUE.You are in defiance to the word of God. Obviously not so much of noble character, either! Let it go. End of discussion.
Neither, George. I already know the truth. Jesus isn’t God, and God’s spirit isn’t God. Only GOD THE ALMIGHTY, Jehovah God, is God, as can be found at Psalms 83:18. And that’s only one of HUNDREDS of examples. There is ONE God the Almighty, NOT THREE. You’re wrong, and you refuse to admit even the possibility that you’re wrong, making you somewhat less than humble, and God REQUIRES humility from us all. He also requires that we all take in ACCURATE knowledge of Him, DAILY, which you refuse also to do.
So you attack, lie, whine, and complain instead. Those things cannot change the facts. Your pagan postulation is wrong and it’s going to cost you your eternal life.
still no validation from the word of God about anything you spouting out here. Jehova God? That is not even his name. God has various names in scipture, but Jehova isn’t one of ’em!And now really, really let it go! Don’t want to talk with you anymore.
Out of YOUR own Bibler: Psalm 83:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most
You see, God REQUIRES us to use His NAME, which IS Jehovah. The name appears literally thousands of times in the ancient texts from which Bibles are supposed to be produced/translated, but NOT interpreted, since God requires us also to NEVER interpret any scripture, ever. Your KJV has removed His personal name all but four times. It actually appears 6,252 times. Everyone on Earth used Jehovah for God’s name until the 1980’s. His name was known, well, for hundreds of years before that. It’s only recently that religions have sought to remove God’s personal name from the planet, for whatever reasons they did it. The one behind that removal, is, of course, Satan, who is “misleading the entire inhabited Earth”. Revelation 12:9
So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
He uses false religions, peer pressure, entertainment, governments, and false teachers also to mislead the entire inhabited Earth. Falsely translated Bibles also are one of his most effective tools. The KJV, for example, has well over 20,000 deliberately mis-translated words in it, including the removal over 6,000 times of God’s personal name, Jehovah.
Satan doesn’t want anyone to know God. HE doesn’t want to be proven a liar. So, he misleads them into doing things that distance them from God, like not using His name, using a cross, which isn’t a Christian, but is a pagan symbol, celebrating pagan holidays like Christmas and Easter, and many, many other things people think are normal, but actually cause their eternal death.
Explain to me how you derive at ‘Jehova’ (with ‘J’ up front ) when the name was YHWH’ (with ‘Y’ up front) Exodus 3:14 14God said to Moses, “I am who I am.c This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ”
But don’t bother responding. End of discussion, very finally. Really finally.
Psalms 83: 18 May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,v You alone are the Most High over all the earth.w
Psalm 83:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.
Psalm 83:18 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
18 That they may [a ]know that thou, which art calleth Jehovah, art alone, *even* the most High over all the earth.
Psalm 83:18 American Standard Version (ASV)
18 That they may know that [a ]thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth.
Psalm 83:18 Living Bible (TLB)
18 until they learn that you alone, Jehovah, are the God above all gods in supreme charge of all the earth.
Psalm 83:18 Young’s Literal Translation (YLT)
18 And they know that Thou — (Thy name [is] Jehovah — by Thyself,) [Art] the Most High over all the earth!
Psalm 83:18 Darby Translation (DARBY)
18 That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, art the Most High over all the earth.
Shall I go on? You are relying on YOUR OWN understanding, which is against God’s commands. Proverbs 3:5
Trust in Jehovah with all your heart,And do not rely on your own understanding.
As God’s word teaches, we aren’t even capable of directing our own footsteps: Jeremiah 10:23
I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.
So stop relying on your own thinking. God’s thinking is HIGHER than man’s thinking. You seem to think YOURS is higher than GOD’S thinking, but it’s not possible for that to be true. You can’t even admit to being wrong on one little point. You haven’t got one grain of sand’s worth of humility in you, and not one grain of sand’s worth of love for God, since you reject His help. You also reject His commands. 1 John 5:3
For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome, So, rejecting His commands DOES mean you don’t love Him. You don’t love Him, and He won’t love YOU. Simple as that.
The tetragrammaton for God’s personal name, Jehovah, appears a huge number of times in the Christian Greek scriptures (New Testament in your terms).
Translating from ancient Koine Greek (New Testament) into English, it’s Jehovah. Translating it from Ancient Hebrew (Old Testament) it’s Jehovah as well. Using modern koine Greek as well, and modern Hebrew as well, if you don’t use the superstitions of modern Jews. They created Judaism just after they killed the Christ, using the Mosaic Laws as a basis, because they REJECTED the Christ, just like you do today. You think he’s God, when he’s only AS a god. He’s the IMAGE of his father, but NOT his father.
He’s juse LIKE his father, but NOT his father. They worked side by side for millennia and know the same things, think the same way, believe in the same things, and have the same values, but they’re TWO SEPARATE PERSONS.
God created His son, the Word (Jesus). He called him the Word because he was God’s SPOKESPERSON after his birth on Earth. His purpose was to pay the ransom man needed to pay to be released from sin and death. God SACRIFICED His own and only son, Jesus, for that purpose. You claiming Jesus is God negates God’s sacrifice, and Jesus’ sacrifice on our behalf.
It spits in both their eyes for the things they’ve done for us, and the things they promise to do in the future for us. The very NEAR future at that. Since we’re at the very end of the end times, the tribulation is about to commence, where you and all who believe as you do, and all who aren’t of “the great crowd” or the “little flock” will literally be exterminated, permanently, from the face of the Earth. You don’t know any of this, because you REFUSE to take in any ACCURATE knowledge, daily, about God, as God COMMANDED US TO DO. IF you change, repent, and get onto the right path, you have a chance though. Matthew 7: 13 “Go in through the narrow gate,o because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it.p FEW know the truth of God’s word, because they use false translations of the Bible and learn lies from false religions, JUST LIKE YOU have, your whole life.
But, being stubborn as you are, you refuse to admit it, and would rather die instead of changing.
How did they know that it translated to Jehovah whenever they did not even have the vowels? Furthermore, the tetragrammation was only spoke by the high priest. No one else knew how to pronounce it. Since that is the case, then, it is a fanciful stretch to claim that it translates to Jehovah.
So, you were around three, four, five thousand years ago? I don’t think so. You’re only referring to the time after they killed Jesus, after they invented Judaism, and started interjecting superstitions into Judaism.
Are you going to address what I stated or not?
I suppose to YOU it makes sense to argue about God’s personal name, when you ACTUALLY need to learn what God’s requirements are for salvation, since you haven’t the slightest clue. So the pronunciation of God’s name is more important than your salvation, in other words. I find that completely amazing, and very sad. You display more arrogance than George.
I see that you are dancing around the issue.
Apparently you cannot read. Learn how. It’s easy.
The “tetragrammaton” bears no resemblance to “Jehova” It isYHWH. (with Y up front) For all intents and purposes of grammaticalunderstanding, you would pronounce it rather as YAHWEH. There is no J or V inthe known syllables of the tetragrammaton and a second “H” that is entirelymissing in Jehova. Besides, Forme personally that has no great importance. Why? Because I address God on verypersonal, intimate terms. Terms of endearment and affection. It’s all aboutrelationship.I call Godmy lovely, heavenly Father. Because that’s what he is. I call him my Lord, redeemerand my saviour, because that’s what he is. I call him best friend, because that’swhat he is.I do that,because he redeemed and saved me from eternal damnation and the everlastingFather gave me everlasting, eternal life, because of his promises and the ultimatesacrifice that he made to purchase it for me. Even though I may die, I willhave everlasting life because of his redemption, through faith.That is whatthe deep, dark soul and dead spirit of a religionist like you cannot understand.Uh and finally: Your reference to Matthew 7:13 – I’m walking the narrow path. And it leads through the narrow gate. And the narrow gate is referenced in John 10:9 where Jesus said:”I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.a They will come in and go out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full”. I have entered through the gate – Jesus Christ. I have life and have it to the full. I will be saved, just as his word promises.
I AM OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION NOW. IT LEADS TO NOWHERE. END.
It figures. You don’t care one little bit about obeying God. Or about accurate knowledge regarding His commands we are required to obey, or anything else. You only want to misprounounce His name. To you nothing else mattrts at all. Typical apostate false religionist sealing your own fate.
So, you see that you’re wrong about God’s name being Jehovah. Don’t you think it’s even possible you’re wrong about other things?
So in Bible translations we are confronted with the expressions “God,” “divine,” “God of a sort,” “god,” and “a god.” Men who teach a triune God, a Trinity, strongly object to the translation “a god.” They say, among other things, that it means to believe in polytheism. Or they call it Unitarianism or Arianism. The Trinity is taught throughout those parts of Christendom found in Europe, the Americas and Australia, where the great majority of the 4,000,000 readers of *The Watchtower *live. Readers in the other parts, in Asia and Africa, come in contact with the teaching of the Trinity through the missionaries of Christendom. It becomes plain, in view of this, that we have to make sure of not only who the Word or Logos is but also who God himself is.
Christendom believes that the fundamental doctrine of her teachings is the Trinity. By Trinity she means a triune or three-in-one God. That means a God in three Persons, namely, “God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.” Since this is said to be, not three Gods, but merely “one God in three Persons,” then the term God must mean the Trinity; and the Trinity and God must be interchangeable terms. On this basis let us quote John 1:1, 2 and use the equivalent term for God, and let us see how it reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the Trinity, and the Word was the Trinity. The same was in the beginning with the Trinity.” But how could such a thing be? If the Word was himself a Person and he was with the Trinity, then there would be four Persons. But the Word is said by the trinitarians to be the Second Person of the Trinity, namely, “God the Son.”* But even then, how could John say that the Word, as God the Son, was the Trinity made up of three Persons? How could one Person be three?
However, let the trinitarians say that in John 1:1 *God *means just the First Person of the Trinity, namely, “God the Father,” and so the Word was with God the Father in the beginning. On the basis of this definition of *God, *how could it be said that the Word, who they say is “God the Son,” is “God the Father”? And where does their “God the Holy Ghost” enter into the picture? If God is a Trinity, was not the Word with “God the Holy Ghost” as well as with “God the Father” in the beginning?
Suppose, now, they say that, in John 1:1, 2 , *God *means the other two Persons of the Trinity, so that in the beginning the Word was with God the Father and God the Holy Ghost. In this case we come to this difficulty, namely, that, by being God, the Word was God the Father and God the Holy Ghost, the other two Persons of the Trinity. Thus the Word, or “God the Son,” the Second Person of the Trinity, is said to be also the First Person and the Third Person of the Trinity. It does not solve the difficulty to say that the Word was the same as God the Father and was equal to God the Father but still was not God the Father. If this were so, it must follow that the Word was the same as God the Holy Ghost and was equal to God the Holy Ghost but still was not God the Holy Ghost.
And yet the trinitarians teach that the God of John 1:1, 2 is only one God, not three Gods! So is the Word only one-third of God?
Since we cannot scientifically calculate that 1 God (the Father) + 1 God (the Son) + 1 God (the Holy Ghost) = 1 God, then we must calculate that 1/3 God (the Father) + 1/3 God (the Son) + 1/3 God (the Holy Ghost) = 3/3 God, or 1 God. Furthermore, we would have to conclude that the term “God” in John 1:1, 2 changes its personality, or that “God” changes his personality in one sentence. Does he?
Any trying to reason out the Trinity teaching leads to confusion of mind.
So the Trinity teaching confuses the meaning of John 1:1, 2 ; it does not simplify it or make it clear or easily understandable.
Certainly the matter was not confused in the mind of the apostle John when he wrote those words in the common Greek of nineteen centuries ago for international Christian readers. As John opened up his life account of Jesus Christ he was in no confusion of mind as to who the Word or Logos was and as to who God was.
We must therefore let the apostle John himself identify to us who the Word was and explain who God was. This is what John does in the rest of his life account of Jesus Christ and also in his other inspired writings. Besides the so-called Gospel of John, he wrote three letters or epistles and also Revelation or Apocalypse. By many John is understood to have written first the book Revelation, then his three letters and finally his Gospel.
Says *Biblical Archaeology, *by G. Ernest Wright (1957), page 238: “John is usually connected with Ephesus in Asia Minor and is dated about A.D. 90 by most scholars.” For the Gospel of John *The Watchtower *accepts the date A.D.
98. So for an explanatory enlargement of things written in the Gospel of John we can draw upon his earlier writings, Revelation or Apocalypse and his three letters or epistles.
This we shall now do. We do so with a desire to reach the same conclusion about who the Word or Logos was that the apostle John does. For us to do so means our gaining a happy everlasting life in God’s righteous new world now so near at hand. John, with all the firsthand knowledge and associations that he had, had a reason or basis for reaching an absolutely right conclusion. He wanted us as his readers to reach a right conclusion. So he honestly and faithfully presented the facts in his five different writings, that he might help us to come to the same conclusion as he did. Thus, as we accept John’s witness as true, we start out with a right aim, one that will lead to an endless blessing for us.
If Trinity believers are not up-to-date, they will ask: Does not John himself teach the Trinity, namely, that three are one? In their copy of the Bible they will point to 1 John 5:7 and read: “And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.” That is what 1 John 5:7 says in the Roman Catholic *Douay Version *and similarly in the *Authorized *or *King James Version. *But the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one” do not appear in the oldest Greek manuscripts. Hence the most modern Bible translations omit those words, the Bible edition by the Roman Catholic Episcopal Committee of the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine putting the words in brackets along with an explanatory footnote, as follows: “The Holy See reserves to itself the right to pass finally on the origin of the present reading.”
The oldest Greek manuscript of the Christian Scriptures is, in the judgment of many, the Vatican Manuscript No. 1209, written in the first half of the fourth century. In our own copy of this Greek manuscript as edited by Cardinal Angelus Maius in 1859, he inserted the Greek words into the Manuscript copy but added a sign of a footnote at the end of the preceding verse. The footnote is in Latin and, translated, reads:
From here on in the most ancient Vatican codex, which we reproduce in this edition, the reading is as follows: “For there are three that give testimony, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three are for one. If the testimony” etc. There is therefore lacking the celebrated testimony of John concerning the divine three persons, which fact was already long known to critics.* Says Dr. Edgar J. Goodspeed, the Bible translator, on 1 John 5:7 : “This verse has not been found in Greek in any manuscript in or out of the New Testament earlier than the thirteenth century. It does not appear in any Greek manuscript of 1 John before the fifteenth century, when one cursive has it; one from the sixteenth also contains the reading. These are the only Greek manuscripts of the New Testament in which it has ever been found. But it occurs in no ancient Greek manuscript or Greek Christian writer or in any of the oriental versions. . . . It is universally discredited by Greek scholars and editors of the Greek text of the New Testament.”* So in our examination of John’s writings as to who the Word and God are, we cannot proceed on the basis of what the spurious words in 1 John 5:7 say.
What did he say that makes him an anti-Christ? You stated, “God and Jesus.” Jesus is God. Why did you separate the two?
Because Jesus is not his own father, and God is not His own son. They’re two separate persons. Believing otherwise is to believe in the pagan beliefs injected into Christendom in the early fourth century. It is to succumb to the misleading of Satan of the entire inhabited Earth. It is to show your gullibility and lack of doing your own study and research, and reliance on God. It is also showing that you’re not a believer, as God describes one.
Somebody (Satan?) has been taking advantage of my name so I am now George the first.
Lol. What? Did someone nab your Nickname (Display Name)?
It seems there are two George’s here. I’m confused just the same. But I’m not the one calling myself George the first . I’ve got problems updating my profile for whatever reason
I wouldn’t stress out over it. It doesn’t mean anything. Let him have his day.
In that first part it says that is what God thinks of the mother the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The book of Revelation itself was written by John on the Island of Patmos and is taken from a vision that a voice told him to write down. This is as far removed from the Almighty as it can be. John had a vision and the things he witnessed he wrote down. Secondly, if you give actual events in a timeline that Revelation follows that is incorrect. There is not some invisible line and suddenly mankind is in the time of the Book of Revelation. Third, there are things according to some denominations that have already occurred and occur throughout history.
Ross wrote,
“In that first part it says that is what God thinks of the mother the Holy Roman Catholic Church.”
The Book of Revelation never says that. Could you show where it says that?
“The book of Revelation itself was written by John on the Island of Patmos and is taken from a vision that a voice told him to write down. This is as far removed from the Almighty as it can be. John had a vision and the things he witnessed he wrote down.”
Agreed.
“Secondly, if you give actual events in a timeline that Revelation follows that is incorrect.”
Why would that be incorrect?
“Third, there are things according to some denominations that have already occurred and occur throughout history.”
Catholics tend to take a preterist view of Revelation. We also look at it from a liturgical aspect as well.