The book ‘The Shack’ was authored by a man named William P. Young and was recently turned into a major motion picture which portrayed God as a woman.
William was recently interviewed by Eternity News, regarding his new documentary “The Heart of Man,” in which he claimed that after death, mankind is still granted the chance to be reconciled after death.
In reference is the wildly popular prodigal son parable from Scripture, where William and Eternity News are discussing the consequences if the prodigal son does not return to the Father.
Young stated in regards to such; “You’re putting a ‘[if you] don’t return’ as if death is the final arbiter.”
Furthermore, William said that he holds a different view than most and that when Scripture is talking about “neither death nor life … shall be able to separate us from the love of God,” it is not just talking to Christians; instead, it is talking to all mankind.
“[E]very time the New Testament talks about the issue of judgment, it talks about krisis—the Greek word for judgment—and it’s a crisis. You’re going to enter a crisis, and I don’t think the story is over; I don’t think death is our damnation,” Young claimed.
Young did, however, say that Jesus is both the Savior and Judge and that men will receive ramifications for their actions and choices. The author also believes that they can potentially change their minds as God continues to pursue them.
“I think that Jesus is both our salvation and rightful judge, but that judgment is intended for our good, not our harm,” Young said. “So, what does it mean? Well, you get to experience the losses of your choices, and that’s no fun. I mean it’s devastating.”
The interviewer then asked if Young meant only in this life or for eternity, to which he responded that it depends on whether or not the person changes their choices after death.
“[The consequences are] potentially for eternity, if you keep holding on to it. But I don’t think the story is over just because you die,” Young stated. “I think there is an ongoing relational confrontation between the One who knows you best and loves you best. Potentially forever and, potentially, you could say ‘no’ forever. How someone could do that I don’t know, but definitely, that tension is held in Scripture for sure.”
William Young, the author of The Shack once again goes entirely against Scripture in his teachings. Unfortunately, many who have seen the movie the shack and or read the book are being wildly led astray by a man who claims that our choices in this life can change after we die.
Romans 6:23
For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
This doesn’t refer to just dying. It refers to PERMANENT death. God promises us a resurrection of the righteous (holy spirit annointed 144,000) and the unrighteous (un-holy spirit annointed who God doesn’t judge as wicked). Two resurrections. The death referred to here is removal from God’s infinite memory. If one is so removed, God cannot resurrect them. His infinite memory is metaphorically referred to as “the book of life” in the scriptures. This removal is also called “the second death” and “Gehenna”. It means “total destruction”. Not experiencing this total destruction is called “salvation”. This is what the term “saved” means. If one is resurrected after the final battle, and obeys the new scrolls
God promises to give us after the final battle, and obeys them for the thousand year “judgement day”, then that one will be made perfect, and live forever on a paradise Earth. If one doesn’t obey, that one will be exterminated permanently. That permanent death is the wages that sin pays. So, in a sense, one can not really be “saved” after death, since God has already judged that one before his/her death.
SMarty,
I can see from what you’re writing that you belong to the Jehovah’s witnesses cult. Therefore, I felt obliged to respond to the unbiblical untruths and heresies that you’re promoting here.
Where is it written in scripture that there are “holy spirit anointed 144,000” (Who are the only righteous ones in your opinion) opposed to the un-holy, spirit anointed who God doesn’t judge as wicked”?
The term “un-holy spirit anointed” is an unholy, unscriptural oxymoron!
Why?
First of all, ‘unrighteous’ always in God’s word refers to as the wicked, unbelieving and godless. The ones that are not righteous, Those that perish. See Romans 1:18 and there are many other references. Therefore, you cannot have unrighteous , unholy people that are spirit anointed. How can you say that there are people who are unrighteous but are spirit anointed and who are not judged as wicked by God? Don’t you think that the anointing of the Spirit of God would have a positive impact on those who are anointed? How come then you think that they are unrighteous and unholy? Come on! I’ve never heard such unscriptural nonsense in my life!
The word of God says that God credits righteousness to those who believe in Him whom raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. (Romans 4:24 and many other places.) Jesus Christ was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.
Believers in Christ’ atoning death and resurrection are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. (Romans 3:24) So that means that ALL believers are righteous in God’s eyes. 1 John 2:20 advises us that ALL believers are anointed from the Holy one. 2 Corinthians 2:21 tells us that believers are established in Christ who anointed us – that we are sealed by the Spirit in our hearts as a down payment.
Every Christian believer is anointed or chosen by God as His children, set apart for Him for acts of service (Ephesians 1:1-14; 2:10; 1 Peter 2:9). That means that I’m righteous and I’m justified because I believe in Him and I’m anointed, but I don’t belong to the 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. (who play a role during the tribulation yet in the future.
You have either unrighteous people (all unbelievers) or have righteous people. (All believers) No middle ground.
The believers who are made righteous by the grace of God through faith. (Ephesians 2:8,9) are anointed by God because they are justified by God who through his will have been made holy through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once and for all. (Hebrews 10:10)
Salvation means: (in a nutshell) to be saved from the effect of sin and to gain eternal life.
In a very condensed form the gospel explains how salvation is granted to all who come to Christ:
There is a God who created you and will judge you according to your behavior (Romans 1:18-20).
2. Knowing you couldn’t possibly survive such a judgment, He sent His Son to save you from the penalty set to be levied against you (Colossians 2:13-14).
3. His Son died in your place and then rose again to prove that His death was sufficient to pay this penalty in full (1 Cor. 15:3-4, Romans 10:9-10).
4. Everyone who believes the Son of God died for them will not perish but will have everlasting life (John 3:16).
As your statement begun: Romans 6:23 – For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
I have accepted this gift and I know that I have everlasting life. Have you? Do you know it?
There are many other things wrong with what you’ve been writing but space does not permit a response.
hare your thoughts……
First of all George I belong to no cold and never have. Second of all, Jehovah’s Witnesses is a society, not a cult. And thirdly all the time is Jehovah mentioned “you will be my witnesses” throughout his scriptures, I don’t believe he was beginning a cult either. Therefore you’re extremely disgusting nasty snide on Christian and wicked post doesn’t bear any further reading. I believe that you have a lot of praying for forgiveness and repenting to do so I suggest you get at it.
Marty,
I can see from what you’re writing that you belong to the Jehovah’s witnesses cult. Therefore, I felt obliged to respond to the unbiblical untruths and heresies that you’re promoting here.
Where is it written in scripture that there are “holy spirit anointed 144,000” (Who are the only righteous ones in your opinion) opposed to the un-holy, spirit anointed who God doesn’t judge as wicked”?
The term “un-holy spirit anointed” is an unholy, unscriptural oxymoron!
Why?
First of all, ‘unrighteous’ always in God’s word refers to as the wicked, unbelieving and godless. The ones that are not righteous, Those that perish. See Romans 1:18 and there are many other references. Therefore, you cannot have unrighteous , unholy people that are spirit anointed. How can you say that there are people who are unrighteous but are spirit anointed and who are not judged as wicked by God? Don’t you think that the anointing of the Spirit of God would have a positive impact on those who are anointed? How come then you think that they are unrighteous and unholy?
Come on! I’ve never heard such unscriptural nonsense in my life!
The word of God says that God credits righteousness to those who believe in Him whom raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. (Romans 4:24 and many other places.) Jesus Christ was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.
Believers in Christ’ atoning death and resurrection are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. (Romans 3:24) So that means that ALL believers are righteous in God’s eyes. 1 John 2:20 advises us that ALL believers are anointed from the Holy one. 2 Corinthians 2:21 tells us that believers are established in Christ who anointed us – that we are sealed by the Spirit in our hearts as a down payment.
Every Christian believer is anointed or chosen by God as His children, set apart for Him for acts of service (Ephesians 1:1-14; 2:10; 1 Peter 2:9).
That means that I’m righteous and I’m justified because I believe in Him and I’m anointed, but I don’t belong to the 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. (who play a role during the tribulation yet in the future.
You have either unrighteous people (all unbelievers) or have righteous people. (All believers) No middle ground.
The believers who are made righteous by the grace of God through faith.
(Ephesians 2:8,9) are anointed by God because they are justified by God who through his will have been made holy through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once and for all. (Hebrews 10:10)
Salvation means: (in a nutshell) to be saved from the effect of sin and to gain eternal life.
In a very condensed form the gospel explains how salvation is granted to all who come to Christ:
There is a God who created you and will judge you according to your behavior (Romans 1:18-20).
2. Knowing you couldn’t possibly survive such a judgment, He sent His Son to save you from the penalty set to be levied against you (Colossians 2:13-14).
3. His Son died in your place and then rose again to prove that His death was sufficient to pay this penalty in full (1 Cor. 15:3-4, Romans 10:9-10).
4. Everyone who believes the Son of God died for them will not perish but will have everlasting life (John 3:16).
There are many other things wrong with what you’ve been writing but space does not permit a response.
If you think that I am going to continue reading a post that is first of all FILLED with lies and bile, you’re crazy. And certainly I wouldn’t respond by answering any questions you may post. Your hatred, ignorance, and misinformation, satanically inspired, is not something I care to read.
Marty,
the definition of a cult is, specifically, “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” A cult is a group that teaches doctrines that, if believed, will cause a person to remain unsaved.
A cult claims to be part of a religion, yet it denies essential truth(s) of that religion. Therefore, a Christian cult will deny one or more of the fundamental truths of Christianity while still claiming to be Christian.
Jehovah’s witnesses are exactly that. When you claim to be YHWH’s witnesses, then you must adhere to the word of God and what it teaches. The JW’s are way off biblical truth and created their own dogma and it can be proven with the word of God.
What I’ve written is not lies but is straight from the word of God. Read it for yourself in your own bible. Is is truth and not misinformation! It’s there for all to read. Do it ! Prove to me where the lies are! I’m not writing it out of hate but to show you the truth that will set you free from your ‘society’ so that you may be saved from eternal damnation. It’s love for my fellow human beings that motivates me and not hate !
You do realize that the only person who ever used the term “un-holy” on this blog is YOU. And pretending that I used it and then writing more lies about your fiction is lying, and “God hates a liar”.
Marty, Say what ? Read your first post again. You said and I quote : “the unrighteous (un-holy spirit annointed who God doesn’t judge as wicked).”
Therefore I needed to respond to your post talking about it, didn’t I?
The filth you are spewing is what RELIGIONS of the world teach, and NOT what the inspired word of God teaches. Your claim that God instituted a cult is on it’s face a HUGE insult to God Himself, showing your lack of love for Him, and your lack of taking in ACCURATE knowledge, daily, of Him. Your usage of falsely translated “Bibles” shows the very same things. It is Satan who inspires you to be so hate filled, and to use falsely translated “Bibles” and to adhere and cling to false religion. God warned us all to “flee” from false religion, but clinging tightly to it is all you seem to be able to do. You only “know” their false teachings, and know NOTHING of the truths found in His inspired words, since you don’t actually study and research His word for yourself. You, rather, in a very lazy way, take “false religion’s” word for what God’s word actually says.
So you don’t have the first clue of what God has to say to us, what He wants us to do and not to do, and how to achieve “salvation”. You don’t even know what the word means, unfortunately. Studying and researching the subject in the inspired word of God, and NOT in false Bibles and religion’s teachings, may show you what it means, but you won’t ever do that, will you.
Another of your lies, and the lies taught to you by false religion, is that God’s Earthly witnesses have a dogma apart from God’s inspired word.
Nothing could be further from the truth. God’s witnesses use ONLY God’s inspired word. Ask any of them, unless you are too scared to approach and ask them, which I suspect you are. Your hatred is an expression of your fear of them. You fear truth. You fear that your false religion may actually not be truthful. Well, they’re definately not truthful. It is them who have teachings and dogmas that are unscriptural. Few of what they teach can be found in God’s word, unless you use falsely translated copies of it, which you do, admittedly.
And no, what you’ve written can’t be found ANYWHERE in the inspired word of God. They are all actually lies you invented, or ones taught you by false religion, and found in falsely translated Bibles. Satan has you by the throat, and you relish it. You do not adhere to even one of God’s teachings, or one of Jesus’ teachings either. Every post of yours drips with hatred, something God and God’s son both teach adamently AGAINST.
Your posts are filled with falsehoods, another things they both teach adamently against. And you CERTAINLY don’t obey God’s command to take in ACCURATE knowledge of Him daily. Nothing you claim about Him is true.
Since you cant be honest or truthful, and can only display hatred, just be quiet and stop bothering people. Spend your time reversing your present course of destruction.
Look Marty, what I’ve written I’ve backed up with verses directly from the word of God. Therefore, if you call me a liar you call God a liar also.
It’s written there! So look it up, read it and when you’re honest with yourself and others, refute what I’ve been writing directly from those scripture references. You have not done so. Why not?
Your post: GeorgeS
Look Marty, what I’ve written I’ve backed up with verses directly from the word of God. (NO, THEY’RE NOT FROM THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD, THEY’RE FROM A FALSELY TRANSLATED “VERSION” OF THE WORD OF GOD. THEY CANNOT BE CALLED THE WORD OF GOD HONESTLY) Therefore, if you call me a liar you call God a liar also. (I DIDN’T CALL YOU A LIAR, I SAID YOU POSTED LIES.) It’s written there! So look it up, read it and when you’re honest with yourself and others, refute what I’ve been writing directly from those scripture references. You have not done so. (YOUR “TAKE” ON WHAT THOSE SCRIPTURES SAY AND MEAN, IS NOT WHAT GOD INTENDED THEM TO MEAN. YOU ARE PREVENTED FROM KNOWING WHAT GOD’S WORD SAYS BY SATAN, WHO HAS VEILED THE MEANING OF THE WORD FROM THE UNBELIEVERS. ONLY GOD CAN PIERCE THAT VEIL FOR YOU IF IN YOU HE SEES AN HONEST HEART, AND AN HONEST DESIRE TO KNOW AND DRAW CLOSE TO GOD. YOU POSESS NEITHER, AND ARE THEREFORE, ACCORDING TO GOD, AN UNBELIEVER.) Why not?
How about you tell me what the scripture references that I provided mean in your opinion , from a translation that you deem appropriate ?
Then we have a point of reference since you haven’t made any mention of the word of God yet by anything what you’re saying.
What part of stop being annoying did you not understand?
Ok, ok I will stop annoying you. I mistook you for somebody who I thought is honestly interested in discussing the truth about the word of God wherever that may lead. You are not it. Sorry.
Still not being honest, are you. Truth about the word of God, not hardly.
You do NOT care to know accurately what the truth contained in God’s word actually is. You only want to stick with the lies taught you your whole life, from Christendom. You’re misled by Satan and want to stay that way.
And bear in mind, you are not my student. I don’t conduct Bible studies over public blogs either. Go and bother someone else, since you obviously have no intention of actually studying God’s word, determining what God’s will for us to obey is, and then doing it. Just go away.
And the false tactic of false religionists to quote one scripture, twist it, and then try to make a truthful point, is just that, false, and untruthful. One cannot learn anything, or teach anything, by posting one scripture, especially when that one doesn’t have the first clue as to what it means or says, like you. You don’t understand anything about what God inspired to be written, because you rejected God in favor of false religions of the world. Only one real religion exists, and it’s what Jesus taught in the first century, and Christendom is most certainly not it.
What Jesus taught is not some “version” or sect or denomination of the first pagan religion of Christendom created in 325 ad by a pagan emperor.
Your religion of the world is exactly that, another pagan religion of Christendom. All of what you’ve been taught is pagan. You even believe in triads of gods, and use the “tau”, which is the symbol of Tammuz, a pagan god from Babylon, invented by Nimrod. And you use a bible that is not the word of God, but is the handbook of the Church of England, the KJV.
You don’t seem to grasp a lot of God’s word George. Unrighteous refers to the great crowd. Righteous refers to the holy spirit annointed, those whom God invites to be His adopted sons and daughters. Unrighteous refers also to those who did not die as a result of God’s judgement, but who died before the tribulation and who God doesn’t determine to be wicked. We don’t have any information on who God deems wicked. In other words, He didn’t give us His standards for those whom He won’t resurrect after the new system begins. IF you actually studied, carefully, EACH AND EVERY SCRIPTURE, and one by one, compared each scripture to EACH OTHER SCRIPTURE, you could BEGIN to understand them. In other words, if you read a scripture that YOU think means that Jesus is God, and you compare it to all other scriptures, you will see there’s a conflict in your understanding.
Obviously, Jesus is not God, because thousands upon thousands of scriptures say he isn’t God. So you would then need to adjust your understanding of that scripture to match the thousands that it conflicts with. Obviously, Jesus did not beget himself, pray to himself, send himself, sit beside himself, work beside himself for millions of years, and so on. He didn’t allow himself to use his spirit to create things, he did not resurrect himself, he did not choose to do his own will instead of his own will, and on and on.
Only in this way can you grasp even one scripture’s meaning. RATHER than take false religion’s word for what a scripture means, take GOD’S word for what His own scriptures mean. God said that “does not interpretation belong only to me?” Meaning we aren’t to “interpret” any scripture. He said that if “anyone changes or adds to or takes away from any of these scrolls of prophecy, that one is God’s enemy”, meaning we aren’t to change His inspired word to match our own agenda. James the first did just that.
He in fact changed OVER 20,000 words deliberately, when he had the KJV first manuscript created. He had this done to match not God’s intentions, but to match the Church of England’s beliefs. Therefore, using that Bible means A: that you’re God’s enemy, and B: that you are participating in the Church of England, a false religion. All religions that man had a hand in creating are false religion. ALL religions of Christendom were created by man, and are false therefore. Constantine started the pagan religions of Christendom in 325 ad. All subsequent religions of Christendom are offshoots of that first pagan Christendom religion, the Catholic Church.
It’s way over half pagan, with pagan idols and icons and beliefs and rituals and dogmas.
Constantine changed torture stake to cross. Hades to hell and Gehenna to hell. Spirit to ghost. And so on.
The cross is the “tau”, a symbol for Tammuz. Hades and Sheol mean grave.
Hell didn’t exist before that period. Ghosts don’t exist, as we have no immortal soul as God’s word so clearly states.
Now you’re annoying, arent you ? You are asking me to stop and then you’re responding with a barrage of unsubstantiated JW dogma that you have not backed up by scripture. Get a grip!
It’s one thing to discuss anything rationally based on God’s word, with scripture references but I’m not interested at all in even reading your pre-regurgitated unscriptural dogma. Stick to your own words: “STOP IT”
There exists no such thing as “JW” dogma.
In your own words, paraphrased: what part of ‘annoying’ and ‘stop’ can’t YOU understand ?
You’ve been exposing yourself as a major ignoramus more than once.
In your last post You’re saying that your cult has no ‘dogma’? Check out your own thesaurus and google the meaning of ‘dogma’ and think whether Your organisation doesn’t have it. Again: Get a grip. On reality. On truth. And the meaning of ‘Stop’
‘a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
“the dogmas of faith’ synonyms: teaching, belief, conviction, tenet, principle, ethic, precept, maxim, article of faith, canon, law, rule;More
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Absolutely NEVER, in ANY of your posts, have you been nothing but nasty and abhorrent and abusive. Your life must suck.
Say what? Show me where I was the way you describe me ? It’s probably that you can’t accept that somebody is exposing your views !
All of your posts drip with hate. Expose my “views”? My my you’re strange. My “views” are that we must keep the Kingdom first in our lives no matter what. And that we must love, honor, and obey Jehovah God and His son the Christ Jesus, and that we must always obey all of Jehovah’s commands for us. We must emulate God and His son always. There. Now you can’t “expose my views” any more. It’s more likely that you don’t want anyone to do these things because YOU refuse to do these things. You don’t want anyone to love God, because you don’t love God. Nowhere does it say that we must emulate YOU. Believe me, I won’t ever behave as you do, or believe what you do. I want to live, not die as you want to do. Your views are the exact opposite of mine.
Good grief! You’re turning and twisting around what I’ve been saying just like the JW’s cult is doing with scripture!
You simply can’t accept that somebody is opposing your views and you don’t back up anything you say with scripture!
Let’s end this now, it doesn’t serve any purpose to go on, with this scripture:
John 3:16 -For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
And: Ephesians 2:8,9 which says : For by grace you have been saved through faith and this is not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, it is not from your own works, so that no one can boast.
Romans 10:13 says : whosoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
I’m a ‘whosoever’ who believes in the atoning death of Jesus Christ and I shall be saved. That means eternal life. With God.
No need to follow the dogmas and false teachings of the JW cult at all.
Let’s end it here. And I hope you understand the meaning of ‘end’
Lying is very bad George. Please stop lying. You twist scripture, twist what I say, and then go off on my words that you twist. Very pathetic at best. I stated my position, stated that yours was opposite mine, and you lose it. Very typical behavior of religionists who cannot honestly make their case. They revert to ad hominem attacking because honest discussion is something they can’t engage in. So dishonest. So in opposition to God.
Even though you cannot comprehend words like ‘end it here’ I need to ask you where I have lied.
Show it to me.
I have quoted scripture which you purposefully overlook. It’s the word of God and he cannot lie.
John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8,9 is the word of God. And these are only but a few that I quoted. What does it mean to you?
If you cannot answer, please study what the deeper meaning of ‘end it here ‘ means other than stop conversation with me !
Almost every thing you’ve stated about what your quoted scriptures mean, is a lie. Either yours or the one who told it to you. Telling someone else’s lie is still lying. You believe only what false religion teaches. You IGNORE what God’s word teaches. I’m not about to research all of your posts and assemble a list of lies, that would be absurd and a waste of time. If you want that info. use your memory, or research your posts on your own. I don’t work for you. You also use a falsely translated Bible.
When you quote a falsely translated scripture, it is also a lie. And all of the hate filled statements you’ve made about me are lies as well. One should not go through life filled with hate. And you hate anyone who doesn’t think as you do. It’s quite evident.
I think you’ve got a bit of a problem.
The scriptures I provided are straight out of the bible, for all to see and confirm that they are not lies.
If you call them lies, you call God a liar.
Accusing somebody to lie when it’s obvious that this is not the case (since the scriptures can easily be confirmed), then you give false witness and that is a sin!
I rest my case. Seek help!
End of discussion.
Sorry George, that’s a pretty lame excuse. It’s YOUR UNDERSTANDING of .
those scriptures that’s a lie, not God’s word. It’s what you think they mean and what they say that’s wrong. Satan has veiled the meaning of God’s word from the unbelievers. You are an unbeliever. Plain and simple. You cannot physically grasp the meaning of God’s word. IF you were to CHANGE, and God saw in you an honest heart, and you repented and prayed for forgiveness over and over, and prayed for God to help you understand Him and His word, then MAYBE He would help you to pierce that veil and then begin to start understanding God’s word. But until then, it’s not possible. His understanding of an unbeliever, and your understanding of an unbeliever are quite different. And it’s HIS understanding that counts, not yours. According to God and His word you are an unbeliever.
With all due respect, the word of God says what it means and it means what it says.
When it says for instance that ‘whosoever’ believes shall have eternal life, it means exactly that. No need to put your cultic spin on it and put additional words in God’s mouth. If we’re saved by a God’s grace thru faith, it means exactly that. Nobody can boast about their state of salvation. It is a gift of God that needs to be received and accepted.
What for instance does John 3:16 or Ephesians 2:8,9 say if it doesn’t mean what it says?
I can’t get over it what silly unscriptural nonsense you’re talking! And of course, it’s totally useless to discuss anything rationally with you anyway. Unbelievable ! Really! Get some help! Satan has veiled the meaning ? Perhaps consider that it is your understanding that is veiled!
But for curiosity, I would like to hear from you what those 2 scriptures mean to you. What do they mean if they don’t actually mean what they say?
Think whatever incorrect things you wish.
Do yourself a favour and investigate why and what is apparently wrong in what I’m saying, since I simply quoted scripture. Scripture can’t be wrong!
Explain to me what part of John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8,9 I seemingly don’t understand. Do what the Bereans did. (Acts 17:11) check out everything before you blindly follow what your cult dictates and brainwashing you with. Study the bible yourself and ditch the watchtower publications that lead you to eternal damnation!
Don’t continue being a fool. I have studied scripture for 40 years.
And you still can’t tell me the meaning of John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8,9 or Romans 10:13. That is pathetic. And they are only 3 verses!
What have you been doing over these 40 years ? Not much filtered in, did it ?
Perhaps you belong to the category of people who are mentioned in Timothy 3:7…. *7* always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Be careful about calling people fools .
Jesus in Matthew 5:22 gives a warning- But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
You need to stop pretending to know the meaning of ANY scripture, because so far, you’ve gotten the sense of them ALL completely wrong. And as I’ve previously told you, I am not going to teach you anything. To teach the “stupid ones” is fruitless and a waste of time. To attempt to teach apostates is also fruitless, and you fall into both categories. I’ve ALSO suggested that you pray for forgiveness, repent, and pray for holy spirit to help you understand any of God’s inspired words. You continue to quote from falsely translated versions of His word also, making you His enemy.
If anyone changes, adds to or takes away ONE WORD of these scrolls of prophecy, that one is GOD’S ENEMY, as God said in Revelation, in the very end of the last letter of it.
You are still skirting around your incompetence to explain the meaning of 3 simple bible verses!
If I got something wrong that’s as crystal clear and unambiguous as those three verses and you tell me it’s wrong but can’t tell me what’s wrong with these, I ask you who is stupid here !
You are the apostate who tells me that I’m adding anything to God’s word when I quoted DIRECTLY and simply from scripture, whereas you are implying something to those scriptures and in so doing adding something that’s not there and refuse to explain . You are adding to scripture and you are the apostate.
For your argument that I’m using falsely translated versions , have a look at what your very own NWT is saying:
John 3:16
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son,+ so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.+
Ephesians 2:8,9:
By this undeserved kindness you have been saved through faith,+ and this is not of your own doing; rather, it is God’s gift. 9 No, it is not a result of works,+ so that no one should have grounds for boasting.
Romans 10:13
for everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah* will be saved.
I have access to many other translations and the essential meaning doesn’t change all that much compared to original manuscripts.
What are you on about ? What don’t I understand in these passages of scripture that you cannot explain ?
I think you’re so much entangled in the distortions and false teachings of your cult that you can’t weave yourself out of something that is otherwise so crystal clear to understand !
Talking about brainwashing ! You accuse me of being an enemy of God ?
Examine yourself !
If you think salvation is gained by being hate filled and believing in Jesus, you’re doomed to the only punishment for sin, which is death without resurrection.
What are you talking about ‘hate filled’ ? Do you understand the meaning of ‘hate’? Opposing ‘untruth’ of somethng which you can’t even articulate is not hate .
Perhaps you can’t even see that I do this out of compassion so that you will see the truth that may set you free before you’re eternally lost. It’s still not too late, because you’re still breathing! (I hope ) And you still can’t express what those verses mean, even though I’ve shown you these in your very own preferred NWT.
I rest my case. Satan’s grip is indeed strong, even though he’s a defeated foe.
George, you are delusional at best. You ASSUME so many things and then act on those assumptions, that it’s not reality in your head, it’s pure delusion.
And no matter WHICH Bible you quote, YOU don’t understand those scriptures. YOU are an UNBELIEVER according to God’s inspired word. YOU don’t understand God’s word because you are PREVENTED from understanding them, BECAUSE you are an unbeliever. God will NOT help you understand them BECAUSE you are an unbeliever, and you do NOT posess an honest hearted desire to know and draw close to God. And you PRETEND to know what you don’t. Your beliefs are pagan. They are NOT the beliefs in God’s inspired word. No matter how many whines, complaints, arguments, hate filled comments and names you fling, you cannot change any of these things, UNLESS you change, repent, pray for forgiveness, obey God’s every command from now on, and become one of His people. So stop trying. Start obeying God, and start praying and start repenting,.
Just leave it at that. You are going in circles and still can’t articulate anything scriptural and of substance.
By the way : only God knows what’s in anyone’s heart and the status of my faith. Are you so arrogant and conceited to judge whether I’m an unbeliever or not ? Incredible. Sad. Pathetic.
Let’s finally stop it here.
I am not, and nevcer “go in circles”. And yes, I do know your beliefs as God has provided us the means of determining if one is apostate and if one is a believer. Things you don’t know, since you do not actually study the inspired word of God. You read it. You do not compare scripture to scripture. You do not pray for understanding by asking God to send you holy spirit for such purpose. Believe me, you are only making yourself appear to be much less than you think.
I suppose you’re one of those “religionists” who falsely think that if they believe in the Christ they’ll be saved, and nothing more is required, because you only want your ears tickled. Believing in the Christ, AND in God the Almighty, AND obeying ALL of God’s commands is what’s required.
BUT, finding out what all of God’s commands is something you cannot do.
Loved the movie, but, seeing it twice kind of spoiled reading the book, at least for me.
Never liked the book. The theology missed the mark. These statements only confirm my distrust of this author.
“The dead know nothing [Eccl 9:5]… the dead do not praise [Ps 6:5]”
The only life beyond the grave is in the resurrection. That is where death is defeated [1 Cor 15]. Neither the believing dead nor the unbelieving dead can respond to anything. Believers “have life” and will be resurrected into “celestial bodies” [1 Cor 15]. Unbelievers “do not have life” nor will they “see life.”
He’s basing his position on superstition and a pagan understanding of the “soul,” You don’t HAVE a soul, you ARE a soul, and souls die [Ezek 18:4]. Adam “became a living soul” for without the breath of God (spirit) we have no life (a non-living soul). When the Lord was on the cross, he commended his “spirit” (his life) into the hands of the Father [Lk 23:46]. At that moment he died. His “soul” was in Hades (“Hell”), as was his body. Jesus is not a triune being on His own. He did not have his “spirit” in heaven and his “soul” in traditional “hell” and his body in the “heart of the earth” at the same time.
Paul uses “Hades/Hell” exactly once in all his epistles and speeches in the Book of Acts, and it is a reference to believers. Hades is the state of the dead. When the Lord speaks of “Gehenna/Hell,” he is referencing a real place, on earth, which will be used at the time of the end in Israel. It is where “carcasses” (dead bodies) are thrown in shame. That is the witness of scripture [Is 66:24].
Do you call yourself a child of the kingdom? Are believers children of the kingdom? You might want to read who the Lord says “shall be cast out into outer darkness where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” It’s not the wicked lost [Matt 8:12]. If we do not “rightly divide the Word of Truth,” we can end up with a lot of terrible doctrines born out of superstition and paganism.
I became a Christian about 30 years ago. I read and studied the Scripture and read about the days to come when men would depart from sound doctrine, and lawlessness would abound. I NEVER thought I would live to see those days, but I’m looking at them right now! How can people be so blind? Jesus Christ is at the very door. It’s time to awaken from your slumber. Waiting to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior after you die will send you to hell!!!! I beg you, PLEASE, don’t be caught dead without Him!!!!