Pope Francis in a conversation with a victim of clerical sexual abuse stated that his sexuality “does not matter,” and that “God made you like that and loves you like this.” The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin; however, the Pope appears to be displaying his acceptance of homosexuality in his latest rebuke of Scripture.
While the Pope is correct that God does love all people, the Bible also clearly indicates that a foundational change must take place within all people who are called to the faith. Scripture calls homosexuality a sin but states that it can be forgiven just as other sins can be forgiven.
In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Paul describes that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God, and further states that such were some of you, but a change has taken place because you have been washed and turned towards the truth, through repentance.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
The verse above speaks specifically to effeminate men, in addition to other forms of sin. For the Pope to comment that no change is needed for a man proclaiming to be a homosexual is the latest remark by the Pope that indicates his acceptance of homosexuality.
Juan Carlos Cruz is a victim of clergy sexual abuse and spoke privately with the pontiff last week about the happenings that he suffered at the hands of a Chilean priest.
During the conversation, the Pope reportedly said; “Juan Carlos, that you are gay does not matter. God made you like that and loves you like this, and I don’t care. The Pope loves you like this. You have to be happy with who you are.”
The topic of Mr. Cruz’s sexuality arose during their conversation because some of Chile’s bishops had attempted to label him as a pervert who was lying about the abuse. During a phone conversation with El Pais Mr. Cruz was asked if he spoke about his sexuality to which Mr. Cruz responded (the following has been translated);
“Yes, we speak. He had been told practically that I was a wicked person. There I explained that I am not the reincarnation of San Luis Gonzaga but I am not a bad person, I try not to hurt anyone. He told me “Juan Carlos, that you are gay does not matter. God made you like that and he loves you like that and I do not care. The Pope wants you like that, you have to be happy with who you are.”
Again for the Pope to reportedly deny the reality of sin regarding homosexuality is yet another sign that the Catholic Church is disregarding Scripture for the whims of culture. Regardless of the circumstance surrounding the conversation, this is not the first time that the Pope has suggested his acceptance of homosexuality, in an interview in 2013 the Pope told journalists;
“If someone is gay and is looking for the Lord, who am I to judge him? You should not discriminate against or marginalize these people.”
Hey, homophobes, this is the future that you want: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/after-dad-allegedly-kills-son-being-gay-lgbtq-groups-prioritize-n820281
No one is condoning violence but you also have to realize that active sodomites are highly likely to contract a severe STD, including AIDS, and the chances of rectal cancer go up. If you really cared about the homosexual community you would advocate for abstinence.
I think u miss th point. Ofcourse th outcome of any unrepentant sinner, whether homosexual or adulterer is known… eternal judgement.
Therefore all sin including sodomy or sodomising shd b repented. Period. Of course u can choose how to lead ur life and account for it before God.
As for taking anyone’s life is concerned, tht too is sin…punishable by death by God in th final judgement. But like homosexuality it too can b forgiven.
But we all hav to repent
Repent your sick obsession with controlling other people’s sex lives. You will not be forgiven for driving generations upon generations of gay and trans children to suicide or murder by their own parents.
Tru, we are called to repentance. Romans1:18-28, including homosexuals. Irs a lie to assume tht someone was born gay. Thts pseudoscience or false science. Its a theory aimed at convincing and deceiving ppl like Pope Francis and others. Th God then lets them b with their choices. Repent
But how do you know if he actually said the things that he reportedly said? Could not have Cruz been mistaken as to his recollection as to what the Pope said? It is also interesting to note that the Pope, the other day, said that gay seminarians should not be allowed to become priests and that they should be vetted out of the seminary. That is a very good thing and a step in the right direction.
Its unlikely tht th Pope can condemn a homosexual.
He has to find a convincing reason since his church has a permanent position in th UN, a body tht promotes human rights. By th way, there’s no such thing as human rights. There are only God’s rights, but tht’s an issue for another discussion
Eagle asteers the Nest wrote,
“Its unlikely tht th Pope can condemn a homosexual.”
But it’s the sin that is condemned, not the sinner. Fortunately we have a merciful Redeemer Who can rescue us from sin and give us the grace to persevere in the Faith. Also, did you see where the Pope said that if one is a homosexual then they should not be admitted to the seminary? I think that is a positive step forward.
“He has to find a convincing reason since his church has a permanent position in th UN, a body tht promotes human rights.”
But is that a bad thing? The Holy See is very vocal when it come to pro-life cause throughout the globe at the U.N.
“By th way, there’s no such thing as human rights. There are only God’s rights, but tht’s an issue for another discussion”
That would be an interesting discussion. Here is how I look at it, we find our “rights” within the commands and laws of God. We do not have true freedom and “rights” outside of Him.
The patriarchy has you, FYI. And incest is a far greater sin than homosexuality.
I think CJ has already covered this great misdeed, with perceivable sincerity. But frm my professional point of view, such sins take long to deal with especially by those not in power position at th time, th violated/perpetrated, more than th perpetrators of such sins/violence. Part of therapy is to begin to forgive oneself. This is possible because th perpetrated would hav been trusting the perpetrator, whether parents or some other relations. So its outside th powers of the one being violated at th time. Then there’s need to forgive th perpetrator. This is from Christian point of view, because although tough, and probably not so human, its th right thing to do. Its a christian core value. It’s not so much about, “Father forgive them for they do not know wht they are doing”… but more so of, “Vengeance is mine” says th Lord. Perpetrators must repent or th axe is laid at their feet too.
Both are very great sins and cry out to God for vengeance.
You do not have any right to take vengeance against gay people just for being gay. Turn your vengeance against those who molest children, instead.
I agree. For those who have homosexual inclination, no.
What do you think that condemning homosexuality is going to accomplish, exactly, besides driving gay children to suicide or murder at the hands of their parents?
I hope that they do not commit suicide or that they are murdered but it also has to be remembered that homosexual act are immoral and if they die, in a state of mortal sin, then they go to hell. As far as individuals with a homosexual disposition goes, they should be treated with love and respect but they should live a chaste life.
The same goes for heterosexual people who think that everyone is obligated to follow THEIR religion, not their own.
What is “their religion”? If heterosexuals live in adultery and are promiscuous then they will go to hell if they die unrepentant.
According to *your* religion. You do know that others exist which are less totalitarian, yes?
Yes but are they true? If so, how do you know?
Same way you know that your religion is “true”: you don’t. Stop imposing your beliefs on others.
Charlotte McFarland wrote,
“Same way you know that your religion is “true”: you don’t.”
We have the consistent teaching of Sacred Tradition, dating back to the time of Jesus, to make us sure as to what we say is true.
“Stop imposing your beliefs on others.”
So why are you trying to impose your beliefs on us?
Because your homophobic bigotry results in parents murdering their own children, just for being gay,
But I also have said that gay people needed to be treated with love and respect. Would a homophobe say that? It is not the individual that I have a problem with, it is the sin. BTW, I had a nice conversation with a lesbian today. No hostilities whatsoever.
I’ll believe that when I see any evidence whatsoever. I think you just made that up for attention, to make yourself feel better.
Saying that homosexuality is a sin is inherently homophobic. Your religion is an abomination.
Charlotte McFarland wrote,
“I think you just made that up for attention, to make yourself feel better.”
That really happened this morning.
“Saying that homosexuality is a sin is inherently homophobic.”
No. It is just telling the truth.
“Your religion is an abomination.”
Many Evangelicals call my Faith an abomination. Let me ask you this, are you a Christophobe?
Evidence? No? Then I don’t believe you.
I am a recovering ex-Christian, who is sick and tired of Christians imposing their homophobic beliefs on others. This is the future that Christians want: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/03/the-gay-men-who-fled-chechnyas-purge
1. You can believe as you will.
2. Do you think that Christians are tired of atheists trying to impose their pro-homosexual beliefs on them?
Who cares? Get tortured to death, for all I care, just like all those innocent people in Chechnya.
So you do not care if atheists try to impose their beliefs on us? I will agree that it is wrong to torture people.
Calling homosexuality a sin is psychological torture that leads to gay people being murdered. No, I don’t care if my existence hurts your feelings.
https://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/07/21/no-gay-lesbian-bisexual-transgender-not-sin/
So if I call a murderer a “murderer” because he committed a vile sin does that lead to psychological torture for the murderer?
I am calling you a murderer, right now, for the sin of spreading vile, hateful lies that get gay people killed. Do you feel psychologically tortured yet?
Th prominence of one person only always raising such concerns is interesting, in itself
The prominence of one errant religion preaching against gay people is only interesting in that you should all be in jail for crimes against humanity.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/gov-inslee-to-sign-bill-banning-therapists-from-practicing-gay-conversion-therapy/723161831
I see that you have totally ignored my reasoning. How in the heck am I a murderer? If you are worried about getting gay people killed then why are you promoting that kind of lifestyle where they contract STDs and cancer? If you are someone who really cared about their welfare would you not be promoting chastity, as I have been, instead of promoting the “gay lifestyle”?
You know absolutely nothing about the “gay lifestyle”, or how STDs are transmitted (straight people get them, too, FYI). You are spouting lies about how LGBT+ people are inherently sinful, just for being who they are, which are used to justify discrimination and deadly violence against us.
You have no idea what it’s like to live in fear of getting tortured to death by religious psychopaths, just for wanting to get married, do you?
Charlotte McFarland wrote,
“You know absolutely nothing about the “gay lifestyle”, or how STDs are transmitted (straight people get them, too, FYI).”
I never stated that straight people do not get STDs. Chastity will prevent STDs though. I say this to both straight and gay people.
“You are spouting lies about how LGBT+ people are inherently sinful, just for being who they are, which are used to justify discrimination and deadly violence against us.”
Everyone sins. I do not believe that violence should be used against gay people.
“You have no idea what it’s like to live in fear of getting tortured to death by religious psychopaths, just for wanting to get married, do you?”
No, I don’t.
Obviously.
I hope that you find your way back to Christianity.
Of course as sinners we stand condemned until we repent. “Repent or perish”…scripture says.
We are not condemned if we repent.
I heard that frm u. But If he truly said tht about homosexual priest interns, it’s simply a double bind message…. “To be or not be..is the question”… Sorry I seem to have a different view on the intents of th Papal System. Church history I have studied sques my views to th left on this one.
I don’t agree with your Holy See concept. No holy one or thing except th Lord Jesus Christ
Th UN was made by man, and not guided by God’s word. Look at how they treat God’s nation Israel!
So the views of th UN are often found wanting when Brough in light with th word of God.
Wht do u expect if its lead by killers of their own people, swindlers, corrupt leaders in their nations, opportunists often deep in sin themselves? Notwithstanding, we pray for our leaders according to the scripture. Those of us who have th opportunity to worship our God freely are thankful to God who holds their wrath. But alas, in America u can no longer read th Bible in schools, while in th UK you cannot display christian material in restaurants and other public places.
I could go on to show that true Christianity is eroded. Its all about compromises now …or u are flushed out…
Eagle asteers the Nest wrote,
“I don’t agree with your Holy See concept. No holy one or thing except th Lord Jesus Christ”
We both agree that Our Lord Jesus is the only truly Holy One. Holy See is the name given to the state that the Pope has, i.e. the Vatican. It is derived from the office that he holds which is the Petrine See. His bishopric comes down from St. Peter whom Our Lord gave the keys to. It is for that reason, that his bishopric is holy. It comes from Jesus.
“Th UN was made by man, and not guided by God’s word.”
I agree but would you also not say that it is good that the Holy See is there to respond to issues that are morally at odds with Christian belief?
“But alas, in America u can no longer read th Bible in schools,”
Students cab read the Bible in public schools. Teachers are not allowed to use the Bible to teach religion.
“I could go on to show that true Christianity is eroded. Its all about compromises now …or u are flushed out…”
Would that not mean that the “gates of hell” have prevailed against the Church even though He said that it wouldn’t?
Very interesting positions there. Now I kno where I am. Nite CJ.
Have a good evening.
Blessings
Speaking of false science, don’t you people think that a virgin gave birth?
The Virgin birth is a miracle of God. Science can’t explain it and man doesn’t understand it. It is a matter of Faith. However, you cannot disprove that Jesus walked the Earth.
Perfect Nate.
In addition to Nate’s answer, th original pls of reproduction was to by th Word. This is what we saw later, when Jesus was conceived.
When sin entered by Eve -serpent interaction, th second order of life and living ensued. Reproduction was now by sex.
But this probably is too deep fir many.
Nite so for people who wont accept Jesus Christ as their personal saviour. They reject th notion I Faith and won’t approach nor please God Hebrews 11
May th Lord God of Elijah have mercy
Yes. By the power of the Holy Spirit she conceived God incarnate. Also, true science is not the enemy of the Christian Faith. True science and true religion come from the same source, namely, God.
What about condoning sodomy in which thousands are contracting deadly diseases and rectal cancer? If you did love homosexuals you would be telling them about chastity. That is a sure way of preventing STDs and rectal cancer.
Indeed! How about?
Straight people contract STDs, too, FYI.
My dear, sorry, I mean it and not cajoling u. I think u miss th point. Everyone get th infection without protection and more so I they commit such sexual sins
Th point is that sin is sin and we are all invited to repentance and it wl be well with us without exception
I never said that they didn’t. They need to practice chastity as well. Sex should be between one man and one woman who are married and there should be no barriers, i.e artificial contraception.
Spoken like a man who doesn’t have to worry about getting pregnant.
But, if I was true to myself, I do bear the responsibility of the child that I helped to conceive.
With someone you never once had sex with before you were married? Such an arrangement seems unlikely to stand the test of time.
No. I waited to my wedding night. Going on 14 yrs.
That’s adorable. Tell that to my parents, who divorced after 25 years of abuse and incest.
Sorry to hear that. May Our Lord grant you peace.
Blessings.
Amen.
Yes God loves the sinner but hate sin and being gay is a sin if a homosexual loves God he will cange hes or her ways must repent and turn from there old ways just like every one and become new in Jesus Christ so the pope is a liar
Tht’s th right way bro. Mike. Th pontiff is simply a blind leader leading th blind, spiritually. Ddn’t Jesus Christ condemn sodom and Gomorrah? Who can bless them now? Its too late for them but it’s not too late for today’s homosexuals. They are absolutely welcome into th bride of Jesus Christ, but, like all of us Bible believers, they must be born again.
But how do you know,for sure, that the Pope said this? Could not have Cruz been mistaken? Could he have gotten the facts wrong of his encounter with the Pope? Even if the Pope did say this, it does not change the teaching of the Church that sodomite activity is wrong and one who dies, unrepentant, goes to hell.
True, but isn’t he th same Pope reported to hav expressed intentions to change th old testament record in order to basically accommodate th homosexuals?
Not to my knowledge. He does not have the authority to do so.
109 Then He came down and taken upon Himself. And while He did that, He did that that He might save you who wants to be saved. Do you see what I mean? By foreknowledge, the infinite God, Who knowed all things, saw the Lamb, and He slayed the Lamb before the foundation of the world, and He put your name on the Lamb’s Book of Life. And He seen the deceitfulness of Satan, what he would do. So He put your name on there. And He said that the antichrist would be so religious, so good, such a fine fellow, such a smart man, such a religious man, that he would deceive the very elected if it was possible. But it is an impossible, because their names were foreordained before the foundation of the world. By election He chose them, and by predestination they know where they are going. There you are.
60-0515E – Adoption #1 Rev. William Marrion Branham
The comments were reported by whom?
I believe you are referring to the comments made by the Pope so I will continue on that assumption. One of the victims of clergy sexual abuse who was speaking to the Pope is who reported the comments regarding Pope Francis’ acceptance of homosexuality.
Spoken by the head of a satanic cabal that specializes in raping and molesting little boys.
A lot of news agencies are saying, “He reportedly said.” There is a big difference in “reportedly saying” and “actually saying.” “Reportedly saying” would not hold up in a court of law.
We know his tricks. One of these Popes is gonna come out in the open and say he is God according to scripture. Remember his Triple Crown already says it all: VICARIUS FILEI DEI (INSTEAD OF THE SON OF GOD). That’s your 2 Thessalonians 2:4. our eyes (both physical and spiritual) are wide open. we won’t to be deceived
But that does not say that on his crown, when he wore one. Also, if the Pope did come out and say that he was God then he would cease to be the Pope since he would be in heresy. I would look to Evangelical/Fundamentalist/Protestantism as the catalyst for the emergence of anti-christ. I think that we have seen the signs of this for a very long time within the movement.
The Pope is an apostate. He will be the False Prophet.
True. Pope system is in th scripture as th antichrist. The catholic system teaches tht the Pope is infallible. Obviously their historical behaviour doesn’t support that notion.
Do you even know what the Catholic Church actually teaches regarding Papal infallibility? What the Pope allegedly said was not an infallible statement.
Th Pope isn’t infallible indeed. In fact right now, he’s deep in heresy! Misleading those tht go with such homosexual misunderstandings. Th Bible is clear about how wrong any sin is and, th remedy required for such sins as homosexuality.
You’re just deceived and blind. The pope did say homosexuality is okay not reportedly he did say it look it up the interview he had in 2013 there’s actually a video where he says it. And he has said things like what Jesus did on the cross was a failure etc. He is not Christian he is anti- Christ now don’t get me wrong he is not the anti christ. The Catholic Church will pave the way for the new world religion acceptance of all sin etc.